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Elon Speaks to Concerns About Sustainability of EV Adoption

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  1. SteveG3

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  2. bonaire

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    The math to do is:
    - how much oil-based fuel is burned per day in terms of BTUs
    - how much electricity generation is done today burning NG, Nuclear, Oil, coal
    add all that up.

    Then add up the renewables generation. And then compare.

    I am an EV driver and Solar PV owner. I also see that the energy released by burning fossil fuels and nuclear is so enormous that it may take 100 years to make the transition - which is also about the time that oil reserves will just about be running out. Fire up the Solar PV factories and large-scale energy storage factories. We're gonna need it. Carpool-anyone? :)
     
  3. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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    I always enjoy his clarity of thinking. Physics sets limits, engineering reaches them, business finds a way to pay for the engineering.
     
  4. AmpedUP

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    It's all very straightforward, just as Elon notes in this clip. This is an unstoppable train, and it's great to be in the forward cars as this journey unfolds.
     
  5. Canuck

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    Unfortunately, the train may be stoppable. As a species, we are not all nearly as bright as Elon Musk. What makes the most sense, and is in our collective best interest, rarely wins out. The greed of the very few has repeatedly shown to trump everything else. In my view, as a society, we are circling the drain. I sure hope I'm proven wrong but I won't be around to find out.
     
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    Agree on all points! Unfortunately, too many of our politicians don't know that sustainability ought to be a top priority and the oil lobby (subsidized by our tax dollars) will fight every move toward renewables. Stupidity is not in short supply . . . we live in a country where a significant percentage of the population thinks that the president was born in Kenya and every one of the the 2012 Republican candidates for president denied evolution.
     
  7. brianman

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    How broadly are you defining society here? Canada? North America? Global?

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    Odd that I don't recall this. Link?

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    We have a larger percentage of the country that believed in him enough to vote for him. But we digress....
     
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    @MarkR, @Canuck points well taken...but if the train is going to be stopped at this point, it's going to take a lot of bare-knuckled, open and outright corruption and fear mongering. Edison resorted to electrocuting an elephant in his bid to wreck the first Tesla, and ultimately failed. It will take a similarly desperate attempt by big oil to sink the second Tesla, and I am thinking they will fail as well.
     
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    #9 SwedishAdvocate, Jan 5, 2014
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    As I remember it Huntsman was pro science. Don’t specifically recall his stance on evolution though...

    But didn’t he finish last?


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    From: Jon Huntsman, Jr. | Environment and energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The quotes are referenced. But I haven’t clicked on those references.


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    From: Jon Huntsman presidential campaign, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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    If anyone is wondering what Elon & Canuck ‘have been smoking[SUP]1[/SUP]’:

    Global Warming's Terrifying New Math | Politics News | Rolling Stone

    It doesn't seem like we have a 100 years:



    I’m guessing globally. Unless you’re completely lacking empathy and a conscience, a global absolute and real food shortage will affect you too as well as everyone around you.



    I think there are different definitions of bright. Personally I don’t think it’s about being bright/intelligent. And the way I interpret Elon, he doesn’t see it that way either. And also as I have interpreted it, neither did for example Steve Jobs. As I interpret it & according to Elon & Jobs, it’s about having a normal functioning brain & having the drive & getting the opportunity to receive a first class education & growing up in an environment that isn’t completely effed up (as in domestic violence and/or physical or sexual abuse and/or homelessness and/or parents with alcohol or substance abuse problems).


    Additional reference:

    skepticalscience.com | Is there a scientific consensus on global warming? [Spoiler alert: The answer is yes (!)]



    [SUP]1[/SUP]Smoking is being used colloquially and jokingly here kids. Smoking is very bad for you. And yes, that includes pot. You can for example find out more here:

    Health Effects of Smoking | Be Tobacco Free.gov
     
  11. brianman

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    I was asking Canuck about a very specific statement he made.

    I had a good guess as to your philosophy already. ;)
     
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    That's why Businessmusk emphasizes making compelling cars. If you make the cars compelling, it's much easier to grow the market. It one of the things I love about the approach. Long-range BEV "just" needs to come down in price and it will eat into he ICEV market, but you need to be compelling to overcome inertia.
     
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    And as I understand it, words and their meaning are important to you, so I’m sure you meant to write:

    I had good guess as to your view of the science already. /…
     
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    True. There's no cure for dumb.
     
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    And no change has ever come about by itself.
     
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    I was speaking globally. It seems the projections are that the decline will start in third world countries in the form of food riots.
     
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    Broadly speaking, the people reading this forum can take two actions in their personal lives to contribute on the positive side of this equation:
    - drive electric
    - find a way to create your own electricity

    Whether we can individually or as a group fix the bigger problem, we can at minimum slow or stop our own personal contribution to the problem. Given this is a Tesla forum, we like it if this means driving a Model S, but reality is that whatever electric car works for you will help.

    To the degree you are able, put up solar panels, sign up for your renewable energy options with your electric company, or otherwise figure out a way to get as much of your transportation and other energy from renewable sources.
     
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    +1, exactly, we have to start somewhere. now.
     
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    Its pretty easy to reduce your home energy consumption without "feeling deprived". Whether you do it because you care about the environment or you just want to save some money, it still makes sense. Most utilities offer free or subsidized energy audits that will tell you what improvements will give you the most bang for the buck. In most cases, adding insulation and improving the sealing of your house are at the top of the list. Replacing incandescent light bulbs with CFLs or LEDs is pretty easy, along with picking Energy Star-rated appliances. Reducing your base electrical usage lets you get by with a smaller PV system or generate a surplus of electricity.
     
  20. brianman

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    Nope, that's not what I meant. The chosen definition of society and sweeping statements about its decline (or rise) are not the realm of science.
     

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