Daniel in SD
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Yes, the California state legislature would never pass a law that violates the US Constitution.
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Elon & Twitter
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bkp_duke
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FYI - white hat hacking isn't exactly legal. Most companies look the other way, because it benefits them to have someone point out their bugs for a fee, but by the letter of the law, it's not legal.
EVNow
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Not always true.
Companies invite hackers to find bugs. Its been going on for years. Why is that not "legal" ?
Google invites hackers to break in
The online giant kicks off an experimental program that allows security researchers to find bugs in its site
Fair enough. There are what I think are horrible people in this world that would think it’s okay to impersonate someone (when it’s not clear it’s parody) and then try to make that person look bad.
Even though it’s my version of morality I’m thinking it’s most peoples version of morality too. Thank god for that.
Daniel in SD
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I’m not even sure why people are still arguing about this. Elon has said there will be content moderation on Twitter. That is obviously not free speech absolutism (I.e. whatever is legal). Which is fine because nobody actually wants that.
Now you’re saying that their intent was to show problems in verification. That may have been some of the intent but I think it could have been handled way differently. It could just be pointed out the issues and let Twitter solve them.Absolutely ethical if you are trying to show problems with verification and draw the attention of lawmakers.
As I said this is common with "white hat hacking", public "bug bash" etc.
There is zero chance even Justice Thomas would find it wrong
I do think some of the intent was to cause harm to Elon.
EVNow
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"harm to Elon" is not the legal issue. Ofcourse when you show any company's products have problems, you are causing its owner "harm".
bkp_duke
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Not always true.
Companies invite hackers to find bugs. Its been going on for years. Why is that not "legal" ?
Google invites hackers to break in
The online giant kicks off an experimental program that allows security researchers to find bugs in its sitewww.infoworld.com
No no, that's NOT what I was referring to. That specifically is an INVITATION to do what we call as penetration testing, in the IT world.
I'm referring to "white hat" hackers that go do these kinds of "tests" WITHOUT INVITATION, and then approach the company they did the testing on and asking for a bug bounty. They don't make threats to release anything, but because they did it without explicit permission, by law, it's illegal.
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EVNow
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bkp_duke
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It's illegal, and doesn't involve DMCA (which is copyright claims):
Is Hacking a Crime? United States Hacking Laws Explained - Julie Rendelman
While some state laws can be traced back hundreds of years, computer hacking, computer fraud – and similar computer crimes – are a comparatively new area of law. Since the federal laws relating to computer hacking are so new, it can sometimes be challenging to find a defense attorney with...
www.rendelmanlaw.com
OTOH Tesla and SpaceX are among the top 2, if not the top 2, desired destinations for engineering graduates. They seem to find it inspiring even if it makes money for the richest person alive.
As an engineer, having a green field to play on and innovate is a lot more inspiring than doing maintenance on a bloated code base.
EVNow
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Well, the House is calling SBM to testify ...
Well, SpaceX makes rocket ships and Tesla make really cool electric cars. Those seem like inspiring goals to me but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the engineers at those companies think that rockets and sports cars are kind of lame and they're really there just to make Elon even more money.
EVNow
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DMCA would be involved if hacking requires any kind of decryption ?It's illegal, and doesn't involve DMCA (which is copyright claims):
Is Hacking a Crime? United States Hacking Laws Explained - Julie Rendelman
While some state laws can be traced back hundreds of years, computer hacking, computer fraud – and similar computer crimes – are a comparatively new area of law. Since the federal laws relating to computer hacking are so new, it can sometimes be challenging to find a defense attorney with...www.rendelmanlaw.com
Anyway I guess one could argue the below applies to white hats.
- Obtaining information from a computer without authorization (computer trespass)
Spacep0d
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My background is tech as well. 32 years. Dedication is a reasonable ask, especially with small and efficient teams.
bkp_duke
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DMCA would be involved if hacking requires any kind of decryption ?
Anyway I guess one could argue the below applies to white hats.
Either way, getting verification with a different name would not come under this
- Obtaining information from a computer without authorization (computer trespass)
No, DCMA doesn't matter for encryption. It's only a copyright law, nothing else is relevant.
Skippy? Why are you getting into mean name calling here
Your reality is obviously different than mine. Some people might not of known those were parody accounts. I think that is very clear reality.
But you can live in an imaginary world and not think that.
People joking about Twitter here, but Musk didn't acquire Meta and there is a lot of blood in the streets there too. Huge number of tech workers looking for work right now.
One of the first cost saving measures businesses do during a recession is cut advertising expenses. Musk taking a lot of flack for these layoffs, but considering the current market and Twitter's cost structure it's being blown out-of-proportion. They don't seem that extreme.
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Spacep0d
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Some people here are moving the goalposts when it suits their narrative. Being a free speech absolutist is Elon's PERSONAL view but nobody said it would be applied to Twitter. Some people are just arguing against strawmen.
We really don't know what brackets Musk is putting around this.
Is the moderation council going to police things like the Pelosi tweet, or are they going to be focused just on abuse, inciting violence, and essentially calling fire in a crowded theater?
Until we know what the guidelines are for their council, it's really hard to say.
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