Correct. I think Elon is trying his best to make it so there is as much free speech as possible without banning certain people or allowing fake news to be spread. On top of that not censoring real news!
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Elon & Twitter
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ZenRockGarden
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Skippy? Why are you getting into mean name calling here
Your reality is obviously different than mine. Some people might not of known those were parody accounts. I think that is very clear reality.
But you can live in an imaginary world and not think that.
Hey Skippy? I'm using that FREE SPEECH stuff you so love and defend to the death
ZenRockGarden
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No, originally Elon was very clear and explicit that his vision for Twitter was to make all speech free there except when against federal law.
When he got in there and started trying to make that happen, THATs when he found new religion and punted the topic to a not-yet-existent moderation panel while he hand bans posts that hurt his feelings.
I’m thinking you might need some time to relax in that rock garden or yours.Hey Skippy? I'm using that FREE SPEECH stuff you so love and defend to the death
Daniel in SD
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So he wasn’t talking about Twitter here? Shouldn’t he have clarified when everyone assumed he was?
Similarly, there are probably lots of engineers at Twitter who really like the product/company and want to help make it even better. Those are the people you want leading the charge for Twitter 2.0.
Stop saying bans people that hurt his feelings. He banned people that impersonated him.
Honestly, give him some time. I think he is going to try his best to make it a free speech platform that doesn’t entice hate, spread fake news, ban politicians or other people that follow the rules of the platform, and does not censor true information.
Yes, we’re all jealous of Elon, and there are really no grounds to criticize anything he’s done.
Not even sure why this thread was even necessary. Mods! Help! Can you delete it all?
I didn’t say people couldn’t criticize anything that he does. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Indeed. So the courts need to decide exactly what "harming, intimidating, threatening, or defrauding" means.
Oh, then there is this:
"Any person who suffers damage or loss because of the impersonation may bring a civil action for damages and injunctive relief."
Only one person has legal standing to file that lawsuit against Kathy. And then the burden of proof is on him to prove that he was actually harmed.
Regarding the whole impersonation/mocking Elon and getting banned thing;
I'd like to say something as someone who is obviously not a fan of Elon. I'm kind of on his side on this one. There's no discussion forum that'll tolerate someone maliciously impersonating another user. Based on some of the examples of this impersonation I think a reasonable person would assume that it isn't satire, it's just an attack on Twitter intended to delegitimize it.
I'd like to say something as someone who is obviously not a fan of Elon. I'm kind of on his side on this one. There's no discussion forum that'll tolerate someone maliciously impersonating another user. Based on some of the examples of this impersonation I think a reasonable person would assume that it isn't satire, it's just an attack on Twitter intended to delegitimize it.
ZenRockGarden
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You're almost there.
The attack was mocking EXACTLY what Elon said he wanted twitter to be, and which he directly enabled by selling verified status to anyone for any name for $8.
People took him at his word, gave him the $8 and then SHOWED him what free speech absolutism actually looks like - you get to parody the crap out of people including Elon himself - none of which was against the law which was the standard Elon was pushing.
On our side we AGREE that content moderation is essential, and it's been the Elon-fans who have been telling us for months that we're wrong and that content moderation is evil and that it's great that Elon fired most of the humans doing that job at Twitter (along with the team who used to vett blue checkmark accounts to make sure they were legit).
Can you see the irony here?
In general Twitter needs to be better at eliminating accounts impersonating people, not worse. There is no value to society in impersonation unless it is understood to be parody by the audience. Impersonators can be funny, for example the account which is an AI of fake Elon tweets might be amusing to some (I haven't checked it out myself), but it's understood to be parody. But as soon as you start deliberately trying to fool people by impersonating someone, you are being malicious and potentially destructive.
That needs to be purged.
Which is NOT consistent with "free speech absolutism" as HE defined it. It's not like anyone is trying to get Elon to live up to his or her standards. People are only trying to get Elon to live up to Elon's standards, whether or not they agree with said standards personally.
Do you always talk down to people?
You’re almost there?
Skippy!
You know that talking down doesn’t help your case or make you some sort of authority.
It’s not nice and reflects poorly on you.
I’ll defend your right to talk that way though!
I love how people want to tweak "Free Speech" to mean whatever they think it should mean for their argument regardless of how ridiculous it is.
You can say whatever you want. You just can't do it with the same public username as someone else. There is a difference between identity and speech. Twitter can and absolutely should enforce and protect identity to some degree.
Twitter and every other platform enforces a unique name for every account. Kathy's handle is @KathyGriffin and once it is registered, no other account can use it. Everyone on Twitter knows that handles are unique, that the handle shows up both in the URL *and* below the username, and that the username is NOT unique and can be changed to anything at any time. So if you are trying to find the identity of the posting account, you use the handle, not the username. And in any case, identity theft is a specific crime that requires using someone else's credentials to commit fraud. No fraud, no identity theft.
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Because the difference between STS–134 and STS-134 is to the casual observer right? There are a million unicode look-alikes for most names. There are invisible unicode characters and things like trailing underscores, double underscores or a hundred other ways impersonators fake being the original user.
Suggesting enforcing unique usernames is enough is stupid.
ZenRockGarden
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You really don't understand this free speech stuff do ya?
AlanSubie4Life
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Twitter is so awesome now that awesome people with no money will work there for basically nothing:
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