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Epidemic of Model 3 small window break-ins

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by SMAlset, Aug 14, 2017.

  1. focher

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    I live in Lafayette, a decent community just east of SF. Last night, I came out of the grocery store to find a Prius owner speaking to a police officer. Her back corner window had been broken just like the Model 3 photos often show, and her trunk was full of crap that had been rifled through. She was parked in the absolute closest spot to the store entrance.

    I don't think this kind of break-in is a Model 3 only problem. I'm not one to keep stuff in their car, but I definitely was concerned when I parked one night in SF. It was hard to find a place and there was even broken car window glass along the street, but I was desperate. Put the back seats down and didn't have a problem.

    For those interpreting a lot of these examples being about SF (which absolutely does ignore low value property crimes) just consider the data bias because of the immense number of Teslas in the Bay Area. I would avoid parking my car on the street in any big city. It sucks, but it just is what it is.
     
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  2. jkoya

    jkoya NA2 NSX

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    Willing to share where you were parked when the damaged happened ?
     
  3. Fernand

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    Need to order at least two windows, a right and a left side. And
    then an extra right, because it's the preferred side. Things are
    getting crazier for sure, you got guys boasting they could shoot
    a person in plain sight on 5th ave and not even get in trouble.
     
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  4. Fernand

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    #904 Fernand, Apr 18, 2019
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    The Sentry mode isn't sensitive enough, at all. Before they fix
    that, aren't there little standalone glass detect boxes that would
    make enough noise to immediately trigger the Tesla's alarm?

    SABRE Wireless Window Glass Break & Vibration Detector Alarm with Security Wa... | eBay

    As far as car break-ins, theft and hijackings go, we've had it so
    good for so long that we forget most places in the world haven't.
    They've long adopted more serious defenses, like hiring armed
    protectors, and only parking in double gated locked areas. I count
    my blessings, not driving w/ a high risk of having a motorcycle pull
    up with a young punk jumping off & putting a gun to my head.
    We can get low deductible glass insurance, keep the seats down
    and quit whining.
     
  5. BioSehnsucht

    BioSehnsucht Model 3 LR

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    A bunch of regular Benedicts, huh?
     
  6. Fernand

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    I just got two types of standalone window alarms.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H2VDM5G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    and
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010HWCS50/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    At first glance, the DOBERMAN is prettier, but very sensitive and has no adjustment. It would require mounting on an additional layer of double-side foam or it's going to be going off at every bump in the road.

    The EVALOGIK has a high sensitivity mode that's about the same as the DOBERMAN's only mode, and a lower sensitivity mode, where you have to actually tap the device. Being attached to that small window, the low sensitivity mode might be best. I also like that the EVALOGIK has a blinking LED and uses AAA batteries instead of those little button cells.

    I'll be testing them first without, and then with Sentry Mode on.
    As soon as I can find my target practice ear protectors.

    I gotta make my own sticker for the business glass side, something like

    Do you feel
    Lucky?
     
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  7. Fernand

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    #907 Fernand, Apr 21, 2019
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    Well, nice idea.

    OK, it's easy enough to adjust sensitivity by mounting the
    alarm device on thicker or thinner layers of foam-tape
    from that window's glass.

    It feasible to set either one so it doesn't go off too easily.
    The EVALOGIC adds the low sensitivity mode, a bonus.

    So, after tweaking them and finding they are about equally
    damaging to your hearing close-up, time for adding the big
    kahuna, Sentry Mode, ON. Surely that nasty warbling
    scream will set off the car's own Honk & Bach defense.

    But first you have to go through another round or two
    of Tesla "phone pairing" magic. You can engage Sentry
    Mode on the App, but it turns out it's not always on in
    the car. It has to connect vie Bluetooth AND Wifi Or cell
    data just right. And THAT only happens on the witching
    hour of a good day. Turns out it's more likely to work if
    we set from inside the car.

    But now we arrive at the sad truth. Sentry mode doesn't
    trigger alarm mode until you have nearly demolished the
    car with test slaps; many have already confirmed THAT.
    I wonder how many testers have actually damaged cars.
    So, then, it stands to reason that it doesn't care one FF
    bit about a mere 100 dB of screaming electronics inside
    the cockpit -- it seems that's considered "within normal
    bounds". Even with BOTH alarm modules screaming.

    There was another possible explanation, namely some sort
    of smartypants neural networking, where it thinks it's just
    someone's taste in music, or it adapts for some other reason.
    Time to re-test THAT by banging on the car with and without
    the screamer(s) going.

    Thing is, it's SO difficult to set the alarm off, with or without
    the little window alarm screaming, that my hand hurts and
    I'm fed up and vote for a disqualification of Sentry Mode
    altogether. WTF! No wonder windows get broken. It should
    be going off on the first tentative hit and not waiting for some
    more definitive transgression like a cement block dropping
    onto the glass roof from the twelfth floor.

    My son says "leave the module on the window, it's all about
    deterrents". Yeah, in case the lights flashing and the screen
    saying it's recording isn't an obvious enough deterrent for
    these genius bar guys.

    THIS Sentry Mode is too Zen for real life. Fix it, guys, ASAP!

    We need a way to adjust what triggers the full bore alarm.
    THEN we'll see if augmentation is still necessary and useful,
    ideally the car should be sensitive enough on its own.
     
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  9. Fernand

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    #909 Fernand, Apr 21, 2019
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    That's fine, but w/ film isn't the window broken anyway?
    And once they smash the glass, tearing trough plastic isn't
    very hard. In addition, if we're avoiding keeping valuables
    in the trunk, whether they get in or not isn't all that important.
    It seems most important not to have to replace the window.

    IMHO it's pretty clear the Tesla alarm needs to do its job and
    1) hopefully prevent the window being broken, or 2) at least
    go bonkers 100% right away if the window IS broken. The
    current state of Sentry mode is laughable.
     
  10. 127.0.0.0

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    How about have some sort of razor wire underneath the seat latch or razor wire sitting sandwitched between that quater panel window frame inside. They will have a nasty surprise when putting the hand in then.. now dont know what law will have to say about that.
     
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  11. Sherlo

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    Agree, not a model 3 problem - but SF currently holds the #1 position for highest rate of property crimes per capita of any of the 20 largest U.S. cities.
     
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  12. ramssva

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    Well, i joined both clubs on the same day, Tesla Owner and Tesla owners whose rear quarter window in broken all happened less than 24 hours of delivery. I am from Socal CA . Anyone with similar experience in this area, please provide any information that would be useful to fix it faster.The next available appointment in Costa mesa service center is June 4th . Also does tesla service centers repair this damage? , How much does it cost?, depending on the cost thinking whether to file a claim or fix it with my own cost.
     

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  13. reheat

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    Sorry that happened to your new car. That location is at tustin market place, not an area that you would expect a break in to happen in broad day light. You can get it fixed at SC for sure, you can find the price on quite a few posts here.
     
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    Is that the market place? Didn’t think it would happen in Irvine
     
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    Yes it was in market place and also Noon (peak lunch time), didn't really get a chance to install USB in the car, Picked up at 6PM Wednesday, break in happened at Noon Thursday.
     
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  17. SMAlset

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    Can't say it wasn't effective in our case. Here's a video of when we got an Alarm notification and the footage from the parking garage.



    More of the background in this post and starting with Post #10 above it: How do you know if Sentry Mode activated?
     
  18. Eno Deb

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    This is a common misunderstanding. The break-ins occur *predominantly* in "better" areas such as upscale shopping centers and tourist attractions. These are organized gangs that drive around and specifically seek out such places.
     
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    Hmmm, I guess I have been really lucky. Until 2016, I live 40 years in practically several parts of the bay area, SF, San Mateo, Fremont, San Ramon, and never had a property crime of any kind..... and I had some fairly expensive cars for temptation.
     
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    Probably helps that the law that basically decriminalized these break-ins didn't get voted in (by ballot measure) until nearly the end of 2014- and these crimes have been steadily ramping up since.
     
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