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Etox Zafer Electric

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by vfx, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    http://green.autoblog.com/2011/02/07/etox-gets-a-diesel-detox-will-unveil-electric-prototype/


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    Can some fix my typo in the title? Thanks!
     
  2. doug

    doug Administrator / Head Moderator

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    And I read that as, Exxon Safer Electric... o_O
    Fixed.
     
  3. Jaff

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    Very nice looking vehicle...if they can deliver the 250 km range, and keep the price under $25k, it might "blow the leafs away"... :wink:
     
  4. domenick

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    I'm not sure the new car is based on the Zafer even though the original source seems to say it is. The price of the 4-cyl diesel version of the Zafer is over twice what they say their electric vehicle will cost.
     
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    #5 Jaff, Feb 8, 2011
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    Interesting to hear this domenick...if this is the case, it sure sounds like something is wrong with the EV's "costing" numbers..."if it sounds too good to be true"...

     
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    The price quote came from the head guy in the company and I'm pretty sure there wasn't a translation malfunction there. Pretty damn inexpensive, as electric cars go. From here I'd just say, let's see what they bring in 3 months and, if it seems worth it, hope they can move forward on this product. It doesn't seem as if they built very many (if any) examples of the Zafer.
     
  7. Eberhard

    Eberhard #421 Model S #S32

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    It looks like, not only TESLA can do inexpensive battery-pack. Recently i ask for a quotation to deliver 100.000 chinese 18650 cells at 2200mA. The price tag was 20cent per piece. 6831 pcs = 1366.20 USD
     
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    Eberhard, just curious...is there a difference in quality with the Chinese 18650's or have you used them in the past with success so this isn't a concern.

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  9. Eberhard

    Eberhard #421 Model S #S32

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    #9 Eberhard, Feb 8, 2011
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    Jeff, do you think todays chinese cells are worse then the quality cells used by ac-propulsion in their t-zero 2003? that was 8 years ago? Todays quality cells cost should be well below one USD
    But assembling the batterie pack is more complex. That may be the reason, why TESLA moved from Thailand to California.
     
  10. qwk

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    It was Taiwan.
     
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    Eberhard #421 Model S #S32

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    Thailand?
     
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    #13 Lloyd, Feb 8, 2011
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    Probably Numi (Tesla-Toyota) plant in Fremont, CA (My guess only!)
     
  14. domenick

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    Thailand.

    At those Chinese prices, one could sell assembled 30 kWh packs all day long to DIY guys.

    So Martin...100,000 cells...you doing up a dozen cars of some sort?
     
  15. Eberhard

    Eberhard #421 Model S #S32

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    Using a robot on higher volume, like for the Model S, is inexpensive and fast - even quality is higher. As an result the battery-pack gets less expensive. It not the cells - it's the work of assembling and quality-control which is cost intensive.
     
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    Good point but I'm also pretty sure cell price has come down quite a bit. So anyway...about those 100,000 cells...
     
  17. Eberhard

    Eberhard #421 Model S #S32

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    cells are cheap only 25$ per kWh not 500-1000$ per kWh as often published
     
  18. Jaff

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    #18 Jaff, Feb 9, 2011
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    Actually Eberhard, I was asking your opinion about today's (non-Chinese manufactured) cells vs. today's Chinese manufactured cells...in your experience, is there any difference in quality or are they basically congruent?

     
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    Martin? Forum user "Eberhard" is not "Martin"... Different person I assume. I think it is a somewhat common name in Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard
     

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