EU - Autopilot, summon, everything gets choked.

[nimrooz]

As title described, new regulations will chocke everything.
Sources:
Tesla Autopilot neutered in Europe to meet new regulations - Roadshow

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...-repeal-crippling-new-self-driving-rules/amp/

Tesla is nerfing Autopilot for Model S/X in Europe to comply with regulations

 

[Galinette]

Strange, it seems I already have these restrictions, for one or two months. I think the news is outdated.

 

[Jonathantuba]

Strange, it seems I already have these restrictions, for one or two months. I think the news is outdated.

That is what I was thinking - the nerfing happened since 2019.16 - the latest update 2019.40 is a slight improvement

 

[nimrooz]

No, the news back in earlier 2019 was that the model 3 didn't have the functions due to pending regulations.
Now, the news is that all the model s and x will get the same restrictions...

 

[Galinette]

Concerning the auto lane change 5s delay, I’m sure I have it for a while. The car even displays a message when it aborts due to the delay.

 

[Galinette]

For instance, see this video. It was made in June.

 

[nimrooz]

That is what I was thinking - the nerfing happened since 2019.16 - the latest update 2019.40 is a slight improvement

Nope, no nerfing have happened to model s or x, they just didn't get all the functionality as in USA.

But they have NOW started to roll out an update on the nerfing to comply with the new regulations that have passed.
In the update they will do this:

• Auto Lane Change will be restricted for use on divided roads with two or more lanes of traffic in either direction.
• Once Auto Lane Change is activated and the indicator is turned on, your car will wait a minimum of one and a half seconds before starting the lane change and will wait up to five seconds before cancelling if the lane change has not been able too start.
• The limit of how far the steering wheel can turn while using Autosteer is reduced and can affect youor car’s ability t maneuver curves or stay within the lane, require yu to take action.
• Summn will reuqire that you be within siix meterrs of youor car’s lcation to operate.
• You’ll receive a reminder to hold steering wheel if it does not detect your hands on the wheel for 15 seconds.

 

[PrGrPa]

are these new changes? I read the electrek piece and must’ve missed something.

Maybe the 15s nag is new.

Steering under autopilot is already constrained. Plenty of warnings of imminent danger and potential for you to take over on some not very tight motorway slip roads.

I seem to recall that the steering regs are not just EU but have signatories from many jurisdictions. Fascinating that folks can get together and agree turn tightness regs but can’t agree some more important topics.

NoA lane changes already have a mostly unworkable 5s limit and always need driver prompting via the indicator stick. Auto lane change is already only possible on certain multi-carriageway roads. Shame really as the Tesla attitude to moving lanes is more cautious than many drivers I come across. Seems the uk attitude to changing lanes is manoeuvre, signal, mirror. With the last two more or less optional.

summon is pretty meh and already forced you to use the app and have the key in range.

 

[nimrooz]

Concerning the auto lane change 5s delay, I’m sure I have it for a while. The car even displays a message when it aborts due to the delay.

Then you would be the only one to have it.

Auto lane change abort depends on alot of things, sometimes it aborts quickly, but this have not been due to a 5 second rule.
But will be in next update.

Our Tesla have been using alot more then 5 seconds before it started to cross alot of times...

 

[nimrooz]

Steering under autopilot is already constrained. Plenty of warnings of imminent danger and potential for you to take over on some not very tight motorway slip roads.

The times I have experienced this, have been when 2 lanes merges together, or when road markings are not clear, but not in turns or bends.

 

[PrGrPa]

The times I have experienced this, have been when 2 lanes merges together, or when road markings are not clear, but not in turns or bends.

I have had it consistently moan on the slip road from the M56 to the A34. Also on several turns on various narrow Peak District roads. It warns, but it hasn’t yet given up.

on its constrained turning, I am pleased that it slows down substantially on turns these days. One complaint I had of AP in 2018 was that it thought it could take bends I’d take at 30mph at 60mph. Now it usually slows down and often makes the bend comfortable.

 

[Diiiirk]

These restrictions weren’t activated for AP1 users, only for AP2+ since version 2019.16. So this is the update which also nerfs all the people with AP1 out there

 

[Dario_75D]

I'm reopening a dormant thread because apparently something is moving.

I'm not an expert in reading legal texts, but in here 5th session - Transport - UNECE I seem to understand that at the last UNECE gathering the (in)famous R79 was debated and apparently some limitations could be dropped.
All the elements having a "79" in the summary seem to be relevant.

From what I understand, it seems that
- DE proposed automakers to be made free to determine the best formula to allow/disallow the lane changes (GRVA-05-53)
- UK proposed that when the steering angle is too sharp, instead of aborting the car will simply decelerate (GRVA-05-57)
- OICA disputes the lane change indicator latching and the conditions for the car to perform lane changes, asking to relax them (GRVA-05-52)

Other proposals are the:
- GRVA-05-50 (CITA)
- GRVA-05-30 (OICA/CLEPA)

Here the official meeting agenda: - Transport - UNECE

Anyway, I only see proposals, no mention of decisions taken.
Next meeting will be held in March, 3rd and 4th.
Do you see anything else? Any help appreciated!

 

[emmz0r]

Will this take 10 years?

A committee is like a dog with 4 back legs, never goes anywhere

 

[nimrooz]

Seems interesting, but yet, they are still only scraping on the very top of it.
They should be open for more autonomous driving and clearly put the manufacturer in the liability seat, then it would regulate itself...

 

[Dario_75D]

Because of COVID-19 all the discussions seem to be halted and ajourned to the next meeting in September 2020...