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European SuperCharger rollout updated

Discussion in 'Europe' started by matbl, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    Yes, it does! Writing this from Tuscany in Italy where I am staying on my way to Rome, with the S :)

    Love roadtripping with it! New Zealand doesn't sound bad either....
     
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  2. pjw65

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    Week 38

    Supercharger data updated at 23.9.2017, 06:05:00 GMT+2
    331 Locations with 2330 Stalls (Europe and West Asia)
    * Otočac in Croatia (6 Stalls)
    * Zagreb in Croatia (6 Stalls)
    * Schaan in Liechtenstein (10 Stalls)
    * Norheimsund in Norway (10 Stalls)

    Source: Supercharger Europa Map with Charging Stations
     
  3. vigge50

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    Interesting, the one in Zagreb is red on Tesla’s website but there is no information about it and it only says that it will open in before the end of the year. Have it or have it not open?
     
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    Short Video of new SuC in Schaan, Liechtenstein:
     
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  7. pjw65

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    Supercharger data updated at 3.10.2017, 06:05:00 GMT+2
    344 Locations with 2472 Stalls (Europe and West Asia)
    * Zaragoza in Spain (10 Stalls)
    * Brescia in Italy (12 Stalls)
    * Oftringen in Switzerland (14 Stalls) - Video
    * Flachau in Austria (18 Stalls)
    * Aalst in Belgium (8 Stalls)
    * Telford in United Kingdom (4 Stalls)
    * Stoke-on-Trent Northbound in United Kingdom (8 Stalls)
    * Aviemore in United Kingdom (6 Stalls)
    * Hovden in Norway (12 Stalls)
    * Hokksund in Norway (20 Stalls)
    * Jalasjärvi in Finland (8 Stalls)

    Found at: Supercharger Europa Map with Charging Stations
     
  8. arg

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    Note that these two have been opened at half capacity (ie. are actually 8/12 stalls respectively, half not yet commissioned).
    This seems to be a trend with recent UK site openings, though the older ones have usually had the rest of their stalls enabled within a few months. I'm not sure why; the sites normally have a full set of equipment installed (at one point it was rumoured that the flexible cables with the car connector were in short supply, but that doesn't seem to be the issue now as the unused stalls have bags over them but cables visible inside).
     
  9. pjw65

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    7day New/Changed Superchargers (only real, no Service-Center):

    Supercharger data updated at 20.12.2017, 06:05:00 GMT+1
    364 Locations with 2729 Stalls (Europe and West Asia)
    * Piacenza in Italy (8 Stalls)
    * Aire du Poulet de Bresse in France (10 Stalls)
    * Flüelen in Switzerland (6 Stalls)
    * Kriegstetten in Switzerland (12 Stalls)
    * Bregenz in Austria (20 Stalls)
    * Györ in Hungary (4 Stalls)
    * Poysdorf in Austria (6 Stalls)
    * Horst in Netherlands (12 Stalls)
    * Oxford in United Kingdom (10 Stalls)
    * Larvik in Norway (16 Stalls)
    * Gol in Norway (10 Stalls)
    * Elverum in Norway (12 Stalls)
     
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  10. avoigt

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    This is a Petition asking to change the German legislation that limits the expansion of Superchargers in Germany.

    If relevant for you please sign it as it helps to expand the already good German SC net and close all white spots remaining.

    Petitionen: Verwendung von Cookies nicht aktiviert

    Appreciated
     
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  11. Lessmog

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    Done.
     
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    As the question came up: 50.000 signatures are required to get the Quorum. It started at Jan 24th and ends at Feb 21st. Right now it just above 800 - thats way too low. So, its important that as many people as possible signing this.

    One of the very options we have to influence German government decisions influenced by the German Automakers in a meaningful way.

    I heard that international signatures are accepted!
     
  13. Lessmog

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    It seems mine was accepted. Foreign, in EU. Likewise Gerardf
     
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    #1574 rhyd, Feb 9, 2018
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    Whilst I respect the efforts of my German bothers, I feel that the EU has spoken, and here in the UK we have adopted this legislation also. It seems that as of November 15th last year no new Tesla Supercharger locations will go live in the UK unless they provide CCS/Combo2 capability, or Tesla is willing to pay a rolling fine, per chargepoint. They have 12 months to update all existing deployed Superchargers. I'm guessing the German legislation is similar as we have both adopted an EU directive that came out in 2014. We have a number of sites almost ready to go live, that are now stalled (Ross, Membury, Leicester, Fleet, Liphook, Crawley). It is a shame to see these delayed (I could make a lot of use out of Membury), but I also feel that we desperately need standardisation.

    My respectful suggestion to you gentleman, is that it may be better to lobby Tesla to replace your left-rear light unit, and charge-port, with a larger port that accomodates CCS/Combo2. It looks perfectly feasible to me, and maybe the new flap would work the same way as the M3 flap, but have the same size reflector on the front of it so that it looks exactly the same as it does todaay. I'm hoping that Tesla is planning to do that, and then re-terminate all existing Superchargers in Germany and the UK. Everyone would then be extremely happy, customers, legislators and Tesla (but with a little less cash). That would be the planA best case, and would provide huge flexibility for MX and MS owners (note that the move to CCS/Combo2 wouldn't open them up to non-Tesla vehicles, that is a separate decision). PlanB is what is happening in China, all superchargers are being re-terminated to the local standard connector (GBT), and existing MX and MS owners are being given adapters free of charge. PlanB is more likely, and still gives us all huge flexibility of where, and how fast to charge. With those adapters we would be able to get 50kW at all existing CCSv1 stations, and would be able to get 120kW at Superchargers, and at all new CCSv2 stations (350amps/400v). I refuse to spend large amounts of money on an obsolete Chademo adapter, so I'm very much looking forward to my car's CCSv2 120kW future which will be good for 20 years at least....but would prefer a new rear light and chargeport to having adapters.
     
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  15. Lessmog

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    Well, so would I, for free. However, that TAANSTAAFL is well known and in my view the EU is now playing protectionistic catchup to compensate for earlier tardiness.
     
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    Hear hear.
     
  17. arg

    arg Supporting Member

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    That's not what the UK transposition of the legislation says: it has an exemption for recharging points intended for "(i)exclusive use in respect of a vehicle produced by a specific manufacturer".

    See clause 2(2)(b)(i):

    The Alternative Fuels Infrastructure Regulations 2017
     
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  18. robertvg

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    10.000 Tesla’s in Netherlands alone. Do you have any idea how much it costs to replace 10.000 tail lights?
    If it fits anyway, the CCS socket is significant larger then the Mennekes type 2.

    What’s the purpose of refitting all taillights and replace the SuC connectors if they would still not be open to non Tesla vehicles??

    Ps: after more then a year silence on the German SuC front (no new SuC’s build in 2017) now new ones are being constructed, and Mogensdorf get some extra stalls
     
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  19. pjw65

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    Supercharger data updated at 2.3.2018, 06:05:00 GMT+1
    380 Locations with 2899 Stalls (Europe and West Asia)
    * Zadar in Croatia (6 Stalls)
    * Lully in Switzerland (10 Stalls) (+4)
    * Ciechocinek in Poland (4 Stalls)
     
  20. schonelucht

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    Following the directive certainly means allowing non-Tesla vehicles.

    Tesla superchargers are public chargers (even if you'd physically cordon them off through a barrier) and all such public points must allow reasonable and non-discriminatory access on an ad hoc basis without entering into a durable contract with the operator.
     

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