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EV/Model S Taxes in Norway

Discussion in 'Europe -' started by Trnsl8r, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. ohh

    ohh Member

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    Positive article saying that the Model S is a christmas gift from Norwegian politicians to Norwegians. (Due to the lack og taxes for EV cars in Norway, this car is half the price or less than it's competitors)
     
  2. AustinPowers

    AustinPowers Total Smeghead

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    Sigh! What I would give to live in Norway right now.

    No but seriously, I can't understand how Germany's government thinks it will be able to achieve its goal of "one million EV's on German roads by 2020" without giving potential customers any relevant incentive to buy one. Let alone such gracious offers as in Norway.

    Ok, Norway fortunately doesn't have a carmaker-lobby like we have here.
     
  3. ohh

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    It's not actually the Model S that's cheap - it's all other cars (ICE) that are heavily (!!) taxed...
     
  4. Eikrokei

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    Let me put it this way: A new BMW M5 starts, before ANY options, at NOK 1.825.200 here in Norway. That's $318.200... If you have any interest in cars at all you do NOT want to live in Norway.
     
  5. AustinPowers

    AustinPowers Total Smeghead

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    :scared:

    That is almost unbelievable. (Ok, an M5 has most "options" of the normal 5-series as standard anyway, but nonetheless).
    So either most Norwegians only have Ford Fiesta's and the like, or they earn enormous amounts of money to pay for their cost of living.
     
  6. jkirkebo

    jkirkebo Model S P85+ VIN 14420 EU

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    You can get large cars that aren't too expensive. You cannot however get fast, powerful cars cheap because of the horsepower registration tax.

    So while the M5 costs $318k, you can get a 520d for $83k. A VW Golf 1.6TDI costs about the same as the Leaf, $46k.
     
  7. sublimaze1

    sublimaze1 8Dec2012 / Leeroy Jenkins

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    So, help me understand here ... what is Norway's thinking about "horsepower" tax? Is it another way of saying "gas or petrol guzzling tax"?
     
  8. jkirkebo

    jkirkebo Model S P85+ VIN 14420 EU

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    Yep. Taxes are based on horsepower, weight and CO2-emission (was displacement before CO2). The tax is not linear at all:
    0-88hp $0 per hp.
    88-122hp $40 per hp (in the interval, thus $1360 for a 122hp car)
    122-177hp $114 per hp.
    177hp-up $283 per hp.

    So you can see a 120hp car aren't subjected to much HP tax, while a 550hp M5 will cost more than the MSP just in hp tax. Then you can add CO2 and weigth tax which doesn't favour the M5 much either...
     
  9. Laumb

    Laumb smrtass.

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    Don't forget to add 25% sales tax aswell as CO2, HP and weight! Let's not forget the NOX tax on Diesel cars!


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  10. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    Interesting. So a horribly inefficient low horsepower vehicle (Model T?) has lower taxes than an reasonably efficient medium horsepower vehicle (Taurus?).

    It also sounds like it's only for gas vehicles not EV vehicles. How does it work out for hybrids? If it does apply to EV, does that suggest a "weakened" version of the Model S has a cheaper tax hit?
     
  11. Johan

    Johan Took a TSLA bear test. Came back negative.

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    True.


    True.

    They are taxed like they are ICEs - this is why BEVs/100% EVs have been so sucessful here. Neither the 40kW, 65kW, 85kW or 85kW Per. Model S will be taxed at all here! Not even sales tax!
     
  12. Cobos

    Cobos S60 owner since 2013

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    Actually hybrids does get a slight reduction in taxes. They subtract the weight of the battery and electric motor when calculating the weight component of the tax. Thus they get a lower "effective" weight.
    The CO2 component is also very progressive
    50-115g CO2 /km -620kr/g
    115-135g CO2 /km 738kr per gram
    135-175g CO2 /km 744kr per gram
    175-250g CO2 /km 1735kr per gram
    Over 250 g/km 2784kr per gram

    And as you can see the hybrids with very low CO2 like 89g or 99g will get a few thousand to subrtact from the weight and horsepower part of the taxes. So keep in mind the taxes can be 0 but never negative. EVs as mentioned above get 0 tax AND 0 sales tax while all other cars have our normal 25% VAT.
    Interesting point hydrogen cars have the same advantages as electric cars and also have special licence plates. All our EV plates have the letters EL while hydrogen uses HY.

    Cobos
     
  13. jkirkebo

    jkirkebo Model S P85+ VIN 14420 EU

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    Not neccessarily as the CO2-component of the tax will hit very inefficient cars hard. Also inefficient cars tend to be heavy and the weight tax is also progressive.
     

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