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I'm now paying 39p/kWh residents' rate for my on-street fast charging...What of the people who don't have off-road parking, home-charging and the ability to choose energy supplier to get a good "EV Off-peak rate" (or to stick some PV on the roof and stuff the excess into their EV)
I'm now paying 39p/kWh residents' rate for my on-street fast charging...
I know it’s not the same as Cuba! I was just highlighting that people are likely to want to hang onto their ICE vehicles well beyond 2030, and Cuba is an extreme example of people extending the life of vehicles that they can no longer buy.We can’t compare it to Cuba.
The 1959 Cuban Revolution and the beginning of the Cold War saw a change in the island’s automotive industry. As old friends became foes, Fidel Castro placed an embargo on the US and foreign imports, which meant that no American cars were exported to the island. The embargo even extended to include car parts, which had serious implications for Cuban car owners.
With no new cars coming into the country and no parts available to make repairs, car owners had the make a choice: Either let their cars rust in the garage or use what parts they had available and make repairs themselves.
The U.K. would need to ban all ICE imports and their parts to create a Cuba situation.
people are likely to want to hang onto their ICE vehicles well beyond 2030
2 above=China Megabucks from EVsI do think in general that EV enthusiasm needs to move beyond money saving as the #1 reason to buy electric. The reasons should be
1. It's reducing climate change
2. It's not putting huge wealth in the hands of foreign regimes that would quite like to see harm come to us
3. It's more convenient to live with
4. Nicer to drive
Since when do many people care about the cost of the fuel to power their X5 or Tiguan SUVs ?
People generally accept 1 and 2 to be true, somehow they believe the opposite of 3 and 4 and we need to do a better job to help them understand.
Or a company car driver when the BiK saving on a equivalent ICE is about £5500 per annum right now.I think this is basically it. An EV is only cheap if you're a home owner who can get a cheap tariff. I
Only if you would have leased personally otherwise. If you have the capital then company car schemes are not a good deal by a long way. You are basically trading tax for leasing company profit.Or a company car driver when the BiK saving on a equivalent ICE is about £5500 per annum right now.
Except nostalgia. Probably due to increased economy of scaleYep, everything is starting to look expensive compared to a few years ago.
I am comparing like with like. An ICE car or the equivalent cost EV run as a company car. Does not matter whether it was leased or bought by the company. The companies cost is the same. The individual ( as a higher rate tax payer which I assume most people entitled to a 50K company car would be) would save that in BiK.Only if you would have leased personally otherwise. If you have the capital then company car schemes are not a good deal by a long way. You are basically trading tax for leasing company profit.
I agree. I’m not saving money driving an MY. I had a low payment on my 2019 Tiguan Diesel. It didn’t come down to running costs but we had to make changes to our behaviour and an EV was the obvious and easy choice.I do think in general that EV enthusiasm needs to move beyond money saving as the #1 reason to buy electric. The reasons should be
1. It's reducing climate change
2. It's not putting huge wealth in the hands of foreign regimes that would quite like to see harm come to us
3. It's more convenient to live with
4. Nicer to drive
Since when do many people care about the cost of the fuel to power their X5 or Tiguan SUVs ?
People generally accept 1 and 2 to be true, somehow they believe the opposite of 3 and 4 and we need to do a better job to help them understand.
No, more from the perspective that in many jobs (mine included) you can salary sacrifice to get a company car, which ends up being a monthly cost to you like a lease. I accept that if you own a company or have a role that really needs a company car then there is a more meaningful saving.I am comparing like with like. An ICE car or the equivalent cost EV run as a company car. Does not matter whether it was leased or bought by the company. The companies cost is the same. The individual ( as a higher rate tax payer which I assume most people entitled to a 50K company car would be) would save that in BiK.
Not every company car driver owns the company which I think is the perspective you are coming from.
One of the most significant is the effect on local air quality. People die as the result of traffic fumes. People with asthma end up in A&E. The air in our urban areas stinks. If you life in a country area and travel into any city the difference is quite stark. I have to say that the vast increase in diesel traffic in recent decades has made it even worse. I’m sure the very recent models have numbers that suggest they are much cleaner but the reality is that doesn’t apply to the great majority.I do think in general that EV enthusiasm needs to move beyond money saving as the #1 reason to buy electric. The reasons should be
1. It's reducing climate change
2. It's not putting huge wealth in the hands of foreign regimes that would quite like to see harm come to us
3. It's more convenient to live with
4. Nicer to drive
Since when do many people care about the cost of the fuel to power their X5 or Tiguan SUVs ?
People generally accept 1 and 2 to be true, somehow they believe the opposite of 3 and 4 and we need to do a better job to help them understand.
Sure. I was not trying to examine the general pros and cons of company car ownership. just describing the narrow case of someone who already drives a 50K ICE company car and switches to a Tesla.No, more from the perspective that in many jobs (mine included) you can salary sacrifice to get a company car, which ends up being a monthly cost to you like a lease. I accept that if you own a company or have a role that really needs a company car then there is a more meaningful saving.
If the government told them that no more ICE cars will be sold today would the manufacturers shut up shop and quit?
An ICE car or the equivalent cost EV run as a company car. Does not matter whether it was leased or bought by the company. The companies cost is the same.
I’m not saving money driving an MY. I had a low payment on my 2019 Tiguan Diesel.