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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Apologies if this isn’t quite the right place for this question in advance, but a search didn’t turn up much.

I’m moving house soon and need to get a charger into the new place, and am considering an Ohme for the native IO integration. We have a Model Y and a Fiat EV currently and the Fiat may well get swapped for a BMW or another Model Y.

Question is, can you have two cars configured on the same Ohme charger ‘account’ ? I’ve searched and searched and come up dry, so I’m clearly asking the “wrong” question.

The idea is that only one of the vehicles will be charging through IO at a time, and Ohme will need to know SOC (or a percentage to add) which will obviously be unique to the car attached to the charger at the time.

I’d also like to know whether there’s anyone out there on IO with two Tesla’s. I believe this breaks Octopus’s API integration(?) so if the Ohme approach also solves that problem so at least one can use IO reliably that’d be good to know too.

Happy to take this elsewhere if there’s a better home for the question!
 
Apologies if this isn’t quite the right place for this question in advance, but a search didn’t turn up much.

I’m moving house soon and need to get a charger into the new place, and am considering an Ohme for the native IO integration. We have a Model Y and a Fiat EV currently and the Fiat may well get swapped for a BMW or another Model Y.

Question is, can you have two cars configured on the same Ohme charger ‘account’ ? I’ve searched and searched and come up dry, so I’m clearly asking the “wrong” question.

The idea is that only one of the vehicles will be charging through IO at a time, and Ohme will need to know SOC (or a percentage to add) which will obviously be unique to the car attached to the charger at the time.

I’d also like to know whether there’s anyone out there on IO with two Tesla’s. I believe this breaks Octopus’s API integration(?) so if the Ohme approach also solves that problem so at least one can use IO reliably that’d be good to know too.

Happy to take this elsewhere if there’s a better home for the question!
There is nothing stopping you from having one car on IO, charging during the IO slots and the other charging between 23:30 and 05:30
I think that may be the least headache-inducing solution, actually.
 
Thanks mate. Having turned on and off at the consumer unit the pod point is now flashing green when plugged into the car so fingers crossed it charges tonight.
So, midnight was the start of the schedule, again the car hasn’t started charging and the light is now red again on the podpoint. When I first plug the car in it starts charging, so there’s a connection there, until it stops when IO interrupts (as it should).

Anyone know if this is a pod point issue or IO, who should I contact?

Cheers
 
So, midnight was the start of the schedule, again the car hasn’t started charging and the light is now red again on the podpoint. When I first plug the car in it starts charging, so there’s a connection there, until it stops when IO interrupts (as it should).

Anyone know if this is a pod point issue or IO, who should I contact?

Cheers

Sounds like podpoint is faulty. Ring pod point and they should be able to remotely diagnose the issue as they can access the fault code. Then they'll either send a software update or arrange for a tech to visit and fix.

We've got to pod point solo, both had issues when a few months old. Both needed a washer removing from the cable locking mechanism, one ended up needing a new circuit board as it kept falsely reporting there was water in the cable/connectors.
 
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So, midnight was the start of the schedule, again the car hasn’t started charging and the light is now red again on the podpoint. When I first plug the car in it starts charging, so there’s a connection there, until it stops when IO interrupts (as it should).

Anyone know if this is a pod point issue or IO, who should I contact?

Cheers
Sounds like podpoint.
 
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Cheapest option would be to just keep using your friends charger ;-)
Haha sure would. In all fairness to him he is on holiday from wed and said I could feel free to use when needed.

Pod point finally returned my call and they’ve suggested it’s an issue with auto clamp - power balancing. Had to send some photos over via email and hopefully I’ll get some sort of a response soon.
 
Apologies if this isn’t quite the right place for this question in advance, but a search didn’t turn up much.

I’m moving house soon and need to get a charger into the new place, and am considering an Ohme for the native IO integration. We have a Model Y and a Fiat EV currently and the Fiat may well get swapped for a BMW or another Model Y.

Question is, can you have two cars configured on the same Ohme charger ‘account’ ? I’ve searched and searched and come up dry, so I’m clearly asking the “wrong” question.

The idea is that only one of the vehicles will be charging through IO at a time, and Ohme will need to know SOC (or a percentage to add) which will obviously be unique to the car attached to the charger at the time.

I’d also like to know whether there’s anyone out there on IO with two Tesla’s. I believe this breaks Octopus’s API integration(?) so if the Ohme approach also solves that problem so at least one can use IO reliably that’d be good to know too.

Happy to take this elsewhere if there’s a better home for the question!
I believe there is a way of doing it by setting up a second schedule in the Ohme app. I'm not an Ohme user so can't give you the detailed steps needed but would suggest this FB for info on how to set it up Ohme EVSE / Intelligent Octopus Tariff Integration Group | Facebook
 
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Hi quick question as a new convert to this tariff. How long after plugging the car in should it stop charging?

I am manually stopping it either from the Tesla app or my ev charger app but if I do that it doesn’t then automatically charge in the smart charge window

Help would be really appreciated
 
Hi quick question as a new convert to this tariff. How long after plugging the car in should it stop charging?

I am manually stopping it either from the Tesla app or my ev charger app but if I do that it doesn’t then automatically charge in the smart charge window

Help would be really appreciated
Covered many many times in the thread as to why it's slow, but for various reasons you are best manually stopping in the Tesla app as you are currently doing to avoid getting stung with peak charging after plugging in.
 
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Anyone had any issues with the IOS app over the past few days since their latest app update? Keeps signing me out of the app and won't give me a charging plan overnight.
Yes, I'm being signed out almost every other time.
It's a pain to reconnect as for the first few attempts, the app tells me my login details are incorrect (I know they aren't), then, after a few tries, finally accepts it and let me log on again.. I suspect the last app update broke something or they have issues with their auth server.

Also, I'v very frustrated with the silly IO schedules. Today I needed to charge at 100% by 9am.
IO gives me
23:00-4:00
4:00-5:00
5:00-6:00
6:00-7:30
7:30-9:00

instead of a continuous 23:00-9:00
The huge difference is that charging stops probably 15 mins before the end of each slot, then resumes.

First, is all that stop and go wearing the battery prematurely?

Then, As I lost almost 2hrs of charge due to this overnight, I woke up this morning and the battery was at 92% instead of 100%... not really happy about this. When I went to bed, the Tesla app told me it would have reached 100% just before 9am. With all these interruptions, it never made it....
 
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Octopus Energy sent me an email today "Tracker is opening up from July 1 – and you're on the list." Has anyone done the maths to figure out where the cost tipping point is for the electricity tracker tariff vs Intelligent Octopus (IO)?

I'm using ~1100kWh of elec per month, of which 80% is on IO's 7.5p overnight tariff (ave. 4 hours/night), 10% is time-shiftable during the day to cheaper slots (e.g. appliances) and 10% is fixed. Trying to figure out how to model this in Tracker...