EVs in the 2012 Presidential Debates

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... . I'm not overly optimistic, but its something to hang our hats on.

Apparently key obstructors have elections coming up.

 

[Arnold Panz]

Apparently key obstructors have elections coming up.

And any signs of compromise get them voted out in primaries by candidates willing to never compromise ever. Tough sledding, I'd say.

 

[Robert.Boston]

Moderator's note: let's keep on the topic of how the election will impact EVs and/or Tesla.

 

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Romney's quote,

“One of my friends said, ‘You don’t pick the winners and losers. You pick the losers.’”

WASHINGTON -- No one lost as much on election night as Karl Rove.
Although he wasn't running for office, his Crossroads organizations spent more than$300 million on Republican candidates in the 2012 election, with some of the biggest spenders in the conservative movement putting their hopes -- and dollars -- in the care of Rove. Combined, his groups were the largest single outside force of the 2012 election.
The results were bleak. According to the Sunlight Foundation, American Crossroads, Rove's super PAC, saw just a 1 percent return on its investments. Crossroads GPS, the political nonprofit arm, saw a 14 percent return.

In a $6 billion campaign, Rove's ability to part wealthy Republicans from their money made the political operative - who co-founded the American Crossroads "Super PAC" - a force in the party's effort to take down Obama....
As it turned out, Obama held the White House and in nine of the 10 Senate races where Rove's groups spent the most money, the Democratic candidate won.

 

[dpeilow]

 

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And any signs of compromise get them voted out in primaries by candidates willing to never compromise ever. Tough sledding, I'd say.

I believe the opposite will more likely be true. If there are no signs of compromise and they do not not heed the warning shots of losing the Presidency along with seats both in the Senate and House it will likely end their careers. People want work to get done. The message was sent. We'll just see if they listen.

 

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And to wrap up this chapter we finally got public comments from Elon on this subject during the MT COTY publicity.

On CNBC 11/13 it was mentioned that Tesla was a political football during the election and Elon shot back they were more like a punching bag.

And at the MT COTY announcement Elon's speech had a little subtle dig for candidate Romney (paraphrasing from memory here). ---That while Tesla was called a loser it seems the outcome was correct but the subject was different.

 

[doug]

And at the MT COTY announcement Elon's speech had a little subtle dig for candidate Romney (paraphrasing from memory here). ---That while Tesla was called a loser it seems the outcome was correct but the subject was different.

Tesla to Mitt Romney: Who's the Loser Now? -- Slate.com

Slate quotes him as saying, "In retrospect he was right about the object of that statement, but not the subject."

The grammarian in me wants to replace "object" with "predicate", but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Arnold Panz]

Tesla to Mitt Romney: Who's the Loser Now? -- Slate.com

Slate quotes him as saying, "In retrospect he was right about the object of that statement, but not the subject."

The grammarian in me wants to replace "object" with "predicate", but that's neither here nor there.

Right -- Elon's (not so) subtle message was "Who's the loser now, Romney?!" He then spiked his MT COTY trophy to the ground and walked away triumphantly holding his fists in the air.

 

[Doug_G]

Tesla to Mitt Romney: Who's the Loser Now? -- Slate.com

Slate quotes him as saying, "In retrospect he was right about the object of that statement, but not the subject."

That was a rather polite, sophisticated way to say, "nana nana boo boo!"

 

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Tesla to Mitt Romney: Who's the Loser Now? -- Slate.com

Slate quotes him as saying, "In retrospect he was right about the object of that statement, but not the subject."

The grammarian in me wants to replace "object" with "predicate", but that's neither here nor there.

Thanks Doug,

By swapping "object" with "outcome" I was trying to "fix it" too.

I like mine better!

 

[JRP3]

Basically he gave Mitt the double tallman Urban Dictionary: double tall man

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This is priceless: http://www.hulu.com/watch/422952

 

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This is priceless: http://www.hulu.com/watch/422952

Here is the link that should work outside US: Post Democalypse 2012 - America Takes a Shower - Karl Roves Math on Vimeo

 

[Doug_G]

Tesla electric car dubbed 'loser' by Romney wins Car of the Year

 

[JRP3]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-elon-musk-likes-being-210454281.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-biggest-loser-scores-huge-050000067.html

 

[Arnold Panz]

For those who follow this stuff, Nate Silver has become something of an instant legend for correctly predicting all fifty states correctly in this year's presidential election, and only missing the North Dakota Senate race among the 33 senate races this year.

Anyway, given the large number of people on this site who live in the Bay Area and/or work in the technology field, this is Nate's latest article in Obama's popularity both geographically and by industry:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/in-silicon-valley-technology-talent-gap-threatens-g-o-p-campaigns/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Overall, I think that EVs get more of a fair hearing from Republicans than other environmental issues/causes for a variety of good reasons, but these are still some pretty stark numbers and demonstrate that we can hope for EV-friendly policies from a Democratic administration and/or Congress.

 

[JRP3]

Overall, I think that EVs get more of a fair hearing from Republicans than other environmental issues/causes for a variety of good reasons...

There has been plenty of rabid anti EV rhetoric coming from the GOP in recent years which drowns out the more rational voices in the party. Just ask Bob Lutz.

 

[Arnold Panz]

There has been plenty of rabid anti EV rhetoric coming from the GOP in recent years which drowns out the more rational voices in the party. Just ask Bob Lutz.

Most Big Oil money goes to the GOP, so that's not surprising. But here in Florida, for example, the state legislator that pushes for hybrid/EV perks is a young Republican from Boca Raton, and on TMC I think we have a nice percentage of conservatives compared to what one might expect for an EV. I have a lot of very conservative, hard core GOP friends, including many climate change deniers, and they all love the Model S and think Elon is a great capitalist. They were pissed at Romney for ragging on Tesla during the debates.

Anyone of such persuasion not in thrall (or hock) to Big Oil should like EVs as a matter of national security, and most especially a beautiful, made in the USA, awesome performing car like Model S or Roadster.