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Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Same guy said this was inside info and would be made public after market close Jan 3rd. I call BS.
Yes. He also stated that his son worked in tesla motors. Probably BS, he was really persistent though. I can't imagine if he really had his son working in the tesla motor co , why would he compromise the sons employment.. Either he was really stupid or this is as I think BS
fluxemag
Member
This makes absolutely no sense. Tesla has plenty on its plate right now with meeting existing Model S orders, getting Model X out the door (it's already delayed), and getting ready for Gen 3. If Tesla does come out with some super sports car before Model X or even Gen 3, I'll be upset because there are plenty of more important areas where Tesla should be dedicating its resources.
Depends on the customer that you're targeting.
Speaking for my car, I don't plan to do a super swap ever so that's not on my list of feature requirements.
I disagree. Unless I'm mistaken, Porsche has been doing precisely that with the 911 line for decades. (Edit: I see several others beat me to the response.)
That being said, most of the changes discussed are not that big a deal. I would guess there'll be a 100 KWh pack for the X to keep range up at least as high as the S, if not a little bit more, and we know the X will have AWD. So an AWD P+ Model S with a 100 KWh pack in it might require more safety testing and such, but very little time or money invested in design/research. I've read some convincing arguments that the battery's max power delivery limit is not yet high enough to enable the use of two P motors to get 832 HP and 886 lb-ft of torque -- awesome though that might be -- so the total power available in an AWD Model S/X will be battery-limited, not motor- or design-limited. The rest of the changes, like seats and such, seem to be mostly cosmetic and not a big deal at all.
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Just my $0.02, but I think the notions of a Model S P110+ and a AWD Model S are simply that, notions.
I do not expect either such announcement tomorrow, or anytime this month, or anytime this quarter, and unlikely this year.
Nor would either get me interested or excited.
As an investor and as a Model S owner, I want to see progress on Model X and Gen III this week, this month, this quarter, this year. I don't want any cycles wasted dreaming up more powerful Model S's until X and III are further along.
I do not expect either such announcement tomorrow, or anytime this month, or anytime this quarter, and unlikely this year.
Nor would either get me interested or excited.
As an investor and as a Model S owner, I want to see progress on Model X and Gen III this week, this month, this quarter, this year. I don't want any cycles wasted dreaming up more powerful Model S's until X and III are further along.
Awd tesla S introduced tomorrow ? New VIN inkluces AWD for 2014 model
From teslamotors.com forum
AStonesifer | JANUARY 13, 2014
The latest VIN card from Tesla has the option of dual motors on it, for the 2014 model year. Looks like we'll be getting it this year, if not soon!
Rumors says : There are 2 cars, model S on display in Detroit , one is locked and the frunk is closed.. Is this the awd...?
From teslamotors.com forum
AStonesifer | JANUARY 13, 2014
The latest VIN card from Tesla has the option of dual motors on it, for the 2014 model year. Looks like we'll be getting it this year, if not soon!
Rumors says : There are 2 cars, model S on display in Detroit , one is locked and the frunk is closed.. Is this the awd...?
+1. Tesla already has a problem with the "toys for the rich" image which runs directly contrary to Elon's "mass adoption" goal. An AWD may be a valuable and if they do AWD the super sport could come easily, but I'll be disappointed if the AWD is specifically for the super sport.
I doubt there's even a clay model of the Gen3 for release at this point.
Agreed with the underline. Without the underline, I'm pretty sure it's more than a napkin sketch by now.
I didn't realize that Panasonic brought a Model S to CES. I hope it is not all about Audio at NAIAS and they talk about nextgen batteries
lolachampcar
Well-Known Member
I asked Jerome and got a no comment... Elon makes all announcements. I emailed Elon and, no surprise, no answer.
The newer batteries take 120 KW SuperCharging. If you can put it in faster, you can take it out faster so the current is there in the current pack for another short term 120-200 hp from a front motor.
I also emailed H. Mees and asked that the P++ take a page out of the M5 tuning manual interior noise be dammed (or add active noise canceling). MS has the torsional rigidity to do this.
The newer batteries take 120 KW SuperCharging. If you can put it in faster, you can take it out faster so the current is there in the current pack for another short term 120-200 hp from a front motor.
I also emailed H. Mees and asked that the P++ take a page out of the M5 tuning manual interior noise be dammed (or add active noise canceling). MS has the torsional rigidity to do this.
Gizmotoy
Active Member
Can you, though? Batteries are usually able to discharge much faster than charge, and I'm not sure changing one side necessarily reflects any equivalent change on the other. From all analysis I've read, the S85 was inverter-limited and the P85 is battery-discharge-rate-limited. There was a very detailed analysis here on the board that concluded that in order to get any more HP out of the Model S, we were going to need a bigger battery. I'll see if I can dig up the thread.
Edit: Found it. http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...combo-performance-differences-S60-S85-and-P85
Assuming the above is correct, I suspect they could eke out some HP by improving the efficiency of the motor/inverter, but I doubt that a 100-200hp boost would be possible.
lolachampcar
Well-Known Member
could very well be.... I was going from RC experience where charge and discharge capability was tied to internal resistance losses. Improvements in charge rates were typically coupled to improvements in discharge rates. The original batteries met the P85 current requirements which meant the door was open for pulling more current from the newer packs (my guess).
