Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register
  • The final cut of the 9th episode of the Tesla Motors Club Podcast, featuring Chad Schwitters, the former president of Plug In America, is now available. You can watch it now on YouTube or listen to it on all major podcast networks.

Fastest UK superchargers

Fleet M3 is 150 kW

C9279B51-7026-4E48-B2B4-E1B1E6033CBD.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: m3p_uk

DJP31

Active Member
Aug 30, 2015
1,739
1,156
UK
Not sure I’m that desperate for very fast chargers. The thermal stress on the batteries much be significant and it must reduce their useful life considerably, I would imagine?

The peak rates are only achievable when the BMS allows it, and they taper down pretty quickly. Tesla are very cautious about battery management - not least of all because of the 8 year warranty.

That said, slower charging does stress the battery less.
 

WannabeOwner

Well-Known Member
Nov 2, 2015
6,696
3,477
Suffolk, UK
The thermal stress on the batteries much be significant and it must reduce their useful life considerably, I would imagine?

Tesla warranty still applies ... so I expect they are being sufficiently cautious.

Frequent DC charges result in a reduced rate anyway, so "now and then" you might as well use the fastest available

So I think only frequent users need to give it consideration.
 
How fast are the UK superchargers?
On the app they all seem to be 120kw but apparently the new V3 ones are 250kw. I guess we don't have any in the UK yet?
All the Version 2 superchargers are supposedly being speeded up from a typical 120 kW to 150 kW max, but some seem to be limited to 130 at present. I would say expect 150 to be widespread this year and near universal next. 150 kW is a peak rate remember, but the rate should be over 100 kW until you are up to pretty high states of charge, maybe 70%+, if you are warmed up. Many people stop charging before that, and go on to the next one.
The Version 3 charger is still in less than a dozen locations in the US as I understand it. It is only going into carefully selected prestige locations and is very expensive indeed. I would be surprised to see these in Europe before next year, and frankly I think we will be lucky to see any in the UK before 2021.
Tesla should, in my opinion, concentrate on Version 2, spreading them further geographically and increasing the number of chargers in older locations, like Edinburgh, which has just 2 chargers.
 

Roy W.

Battery running low...
Jun 3, 2019
2,334
2,401
Derby, UK
I suppose it might make sense to install version 3 chargers in any new locations? We’ll have to wait and see.

In the three or so weeks I’ve had my M3 I’ve supercharged three times. Each time it’s started off at 111kW, which for me, is plenty fast enough. After using third-party chargers for the last four years with the Leaf and Kona, tiddling around with multiple apps or cards to get a “rapid” charge of 43kW if I was lucky, the Superchargers are amazing, even in their current form.
 

WannabeOwner

Well-Known Member
Nov 2, 2015
6,696
3,477
Suffolk, UK
tiddling around with multiple apps or cards to get a “rapid” charge of 43kW if I was lucky

And IME probably anything up to 5 minutes to get connected on a good day, and much longer on a bad one if you have to phone for assistance or move to a different stall, or don't have an RFID and have to us Phone APP. And a few minutes to disconnect as well ... more so, again, if using an APP rather than RFID.

Looking back through my logs max time from selecting PARK to Charging Started at Supercharger is 1 minute. Disconnect is similar, press button on "wand" to stop charging, jump back in, and drive off and on my way in under a minute.

So I allow for at least 5 minutes extra "faff time" at a non-Supercharger stop. Worse case (where it actually worked ... there have been plenty of 3rd party charge attempts that never worked ending with support person on the phone thinking they could initiate a charge remotely and giving up) was 20 minutes just getting a connection to Ecotricity at Peterborough - #1 included phone call for support, #2 was a retry on same stall - had to type all my details into APP each time - it didn't remember anything (I have a registered account, but I had to use the APP's Guest Mode that day), #3 was a successful try connected to the other stall.

Worthwhile newbie Tesla owners who have never owned another EV knowing just how bad it would be if they had another other EV - Leaf, iPace, whatever

"Mercedes me" looks like it might be a solution ... supposedly rock up, plug in, and charge will start (and "Mercedes Me" connectivity takes care of any billing - which definitely sounds like a good solution)
 
All the Version 2 superchargers are supposedly being speeded up from a typical 120 kW to 150 kW max, but some seem to be limited to 130 at present. I would say expect 150 to be widespread this year and near universal next. 150 kW is a peak rate remember, but the rate should be over 100 kW until you are up to pretty high states of charge, maybe 70%+, if you are warmed up. Many people stop charging before that, and go on to the next one.
The Version 3 charger is still in less than a dozen locations in the US as I understand it. It is only going into carefully selected prestige locations and is very expensive indeed. I would be surprised to see these in Europe before next year, and frankly I think we will be lucky to see any in the UK before 2021.
Tesla should, in my opinion, concentrate on Version 2, spreading them further geographically and increasing the number of chargers in older locations, like Edinburgh, which has just 2 chargers.

Completely agree, I think the focus should be on adding V2 locations and the number of stalls at each location and adding Model 3 compatibility to each existing system stall. Perhaps I’m biased as I believe the SR+ is limited to 100kw charging so the V3 does nothing for me!
 

WannabeOwner

Well-Known Member
Nov 2, 2015
6,696
3,477
Suffolk, UK
I think the focus should be on adding V2 locations

I think, when Tesla are ready (whatever that may mean ... have supply of kit, can afford it, and it is debugged) then they should roll out V3 at all new sites.

Supercharger is a huge USP for Tesla. 3rd party charging is almost universally dreadful ... important that Tesla maintains that USP and a reasonable lead, otherwise it puts the rest of their business at risk.

Installing V2 and then upgrading it later to V3 is huge expense, likelihood is that they won't bother, so that too will erode the USP.

People may buy an iPace, e-Tron, EQC for interior / luxury preference, but people who have to travel out of range will be thinking twice about non-Tesla as long as Tesla has significant advantage in trip-charging.

Also V3 reduces the time that a charge takes, makes that stall available sooner, and thus enables more charges per unit area, which reduces ground-rent, like-for-like.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fraank and Roy W.

Mark_T

Active Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,306
1,149
UK
... 150 kW is a peak rate remember, but the rate should be over 100 kW until you are up to pretty high states of charge, maybe 70%+, if you are warmed up.

It tails off much quicker than that.

On my S100D I saw 143kW at 20% but it was down to 45kW by 77%.

The extra power makes the most difference up to around 40% from what I've seen so far.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Roy W.

WannabeOwner

Well-Known Member
Nov 2, 2015
6,696
3,477
Suffolk, UK
On my S100D I saw 143kW at 20% but it was down to 45kW by 77%.

I've read that the 100 battery has the higher power tapering at the lowest SOC. I suppose the 100 might have had the most efficient chemistry / charging etc. at the get go and they can't wring any more out, but its a surprise as in other areas the extra real-estate has allowed higher voltage, faster charging, faster discharge/acceleration etc.
 

Products we're discussing on TMC...

About Us

Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.

Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


SUPPORT TMC
Top