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Feed-in Tarrif Laws

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by vfx, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    Called the Policy to change the world.

    I'm new to this concept but it sounds like a smart way to go.

    The refined origins are from Germany.
    The Aachen Solar Tariff Model

    From the Wiki

    In the effort to combat climate change, the increased deployment of renewable energy sources is regarded by many as critical. One major obstacle to this adoption is the retail price of electricity generated from renewable sources, which is typically more expensive than the retail price of electricity generated from fossil fuels. A FiT is a revenue neutral way of making the installation of renewable energy more appealing. The electricity that is generated is bought by the utility at above market prices. For example, if the retail price of electricity is 10¢/kWh then the rate for green power might be 40¢/kWh. The difference is spread over all of the customers of the utility. For example, if $100,000 worth of green power is bought in a year by a utility that has 1,000,000 customers, then each of those customers will have 10c added on to their bill annually.
    Thus, a small annual increase in the price of electricity per customer can result in a large incentive for people to install renewable energy systems. This is the essence of a FiT: it is a mechanism to instigate a change in the way power is produced, gradually shifting from present polluting means to non-greenhouse methods.

    Political action page:
    The World Future Council: Arguing for Feed-in laws
     
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    Some people who don't believe in global warming and aren't bothered by distant power-plant pollution aren't going to be happy to pay more to subsidize someone else's green energy. These "spread the costs" approaches are always controversial because not everyone is in agreement. Something like this would need to be put to a vote to make sure that a significant majority wants the approach.

    Someone once told me that they were upset that some of their tax dollars were used to subsidize my solar panels. The "green movement" seems well positioned to push through many of these things as "in the best interests of the public in general", but we need to be careful not to push too hard or there could be backlash.
     
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    Funny 'cause we subsidize 10 billion dollars a month for the alternative.

    How does $25,000 dollars sound to them?
     
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    "... increased deployment of renewable energy sources" (RES)

    Relative higher cost of energy FiT's are unlikely in the states.

    'On February 14, 2008, the California Public Utilities Commission has made new feed-in tariffs available for the purchase of up to 480 MW of renewable generating capacity from small facilities throughout California. "

    Feed-In Tariffs Available for the Purchase of Eligible Small Renewable Generation
    Terms and Conditions of Feed-In Tariffs

    As a result, the value of energy based on time and usage would be likely for Customer Sited Photovotaics (CSPV) for distributed generation. In addition, there are options for centralized generation - Renewable Energy Resources (RES) of Concentrating Solar Power (CSP), Concentrating Photovoltaics (CPV), ... including micro methods - micro-CSP. - as high temperature options. For mid-temperature would be solar thermal (ST), space heating, ... - and other passive options.

    With regards to the inverters for active systems, the options would be micro-inverters or maco-inverters.

    The average completed systems size in California would be approximate 4kW.

    http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/emerging_renewables/COMPLETED_SYSTEMS.XLS

    Ironically, with regards to the Telsa, about 12 modules at would result in a distance of approximately 12,000 miles per year at a cost of approximately < $25,000 - depending on location installed typically.

    Solar Photovoltaic Electricity Price Index
     
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    #5 vfx, Sep 29, 2008
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    Martin, Thank you for the informative and detailed post. I looked at the SCE page and I think I get it.

    So if I install more Solar (and/or Wind) than I would need (like Larry Hagman) this might be a better way to get cash back than net metering. Downsides would of course be when generating less power than used and it looks like you are locked into a fixed buyback price. Also it looks like you forfit all other rebates and tax perks if you sign up for WEP.
    Has anyone written on the pluses and minuses of this plan in small scale VS net metering?
     
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    The snowball starts art the top of the hill.

     
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    Gainesville????

    What an odd place for progress. Gainesville is just a college town in the middle of nowhere.
     
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    Vermont Feed-In Tariffs Become Law
     
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    Feed-in Tariff was aways a difficult mouthful.

    Now they are calling it "Renewable Energy Payments (REPs).

    Here is site that includes a REP Endorsement Statement if you want to back the idea to Federal, Stae and Local law makers.
     
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    Just some old coverage on CA REPs:
    Schwarzenegger signs solar bills AB 920 and SB 32 | Greenspace | Los Angeles Times
    “Instead of writing a check to your utility company, you’ll be getting a check back,” said Bernadette Del Chiaro, clean energy advocate with Environment California which sponsored the legislation. “Changing the dynamic between utility and customer is key to encouraging more people to invest in solar power while also maximizing conservation and energy efficiency.”


    Governor Signs Two Big Solar Bills - Environment California
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    AB 920: the California Solar Surplus Act of 2009 - Environment California
     
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