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Feedback and suggestions regarding the Model S Beta

Discussion in 'Model S' started by gg_got_a_tesla, Oct 8, 2011.

  1. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913

    Jan 29, 2010
    Redwood Shores, CA
    #1 gg_got_a_tesla, Oct 8, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2011
    After the whirlwind ride in the beta last weekend and then, an up close experience with the red signature beta at the Tesla Menlo Park store earlier today, here are my gripes with the Model S Beta that I honestly feel Tesla ought to address to keep me interested:

    1) The interior was very lacking; it looked stark, spartan and hardly luxurious. To compare it to the competition (such as a BMW 5 or a Lexus GS), I didn't have the same sense that I was experiencing something special in the Model S Beta as I did when checking out the finished BMW or Lexus at their dealerships! Unlike the exterior which was excellent, the interior looked like it was just cobbled together without the same degree of attention to detail. To use a harsh word, it looked cheap!

    2) The leather seats were very ordinary and not worthy of a $57k+ car. They weren't supportive enough in both the front and back. And, both the driver and the passenger seats ought to be 8-way adjustable.

    3) The standout feature of the interior, the 17" touchscreen, looked sorely out of place. It looked like a bland computer monitor slapped in there; it didn't blend in into the dash like it did in the prototype. It had other problems such as heavy glare and poor off-angle viewing from the front passenger seat.

    4) Where's the in-dash storage space? There ought to be a lot of it given the frunk right ahead.

    5) My only gripe with the exterior is the wonky-looking chargeport door! It didn't blend in at all and stuck out like a sore thumb. At the least, the door (and its peer reflector on the passenger side) ought to be extended all the way to the top to make it more organic; here's a mockup:

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    UPDATE: Heard from a Tesla employee on 10/09 confirming that many of these concerns (such as the seats, the fit and finish) were already scheduled to be addressed and that, they are actively watching this forum and others for feedback such as this. So, bottomline, do take all my points above with a bag of salt :smile: I've updated my title to a more harmonious "Feedback and suggestions regarding the Model S Beta".

    Doug, thanks for updating the thread title!

    Made a follow-up post with more info from talking to the Tesla employee: Feedback and suggestions regarding the Model S Beta
  2. Mycroft

    Mycroft Life happens

    Jun 18, 2011
    Tacoma, WA
    I think those are all good points gg. We'll have to see what Tesla comes up with when the car is more finalized. They should be publishing features and options before production of the RC.
  3. AnOutsider

    AnOutsider S532 # XS27

    Apr 3, 2009
    I agree on the interior wholeheartedly. It was the most disappointing part of the car for me. The tail lights are growing on me, but they are indeed a weak point on the exterior for me.

    Also, I think the karmas gauges look better. If I'm not mistaken, they're a mix of screen and physical bits.
  4. Soflauthor

    Soflauthor Model S, Sig#422

    Sep 19, 2011
    South Florida
    @gg: I agree completely with your points (1) to (4). Let's hope Tesla acts on the growing criticism of the interior.
  5. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Electron Pilot

    Nov 3, 2009
    Smithfield, VA
    When I talked to a salesperson at Tesla a few weeks ago in LA, I got the distinct impression they got the interior together last minute. He didn't say that explicitly, but what he said gave me that impression. My guess is they're still working on the interior.
  6. richkae

    richkae VIN587

    Jan 15, 2008
    I agree the interior was weak, and I do not like the taillights.
    Anyone notice in the interior shots there is a big shade over the speedo LCD? If that is necessary for the speedo LCD, why is it not for the center screen?
    I hope they have a solution for the glare - the Prius has a small touchscreen in the center, and it is unusable if the sun comes in at the right angle.
  7. Mycroft

    Mycroft Life happens

    Jun 18, 2011
    Tacoma, WA
    I agree that bringing the console back would be better. Better cup holders, place for shift buttons/stick, more asthetical placement of the 17" screen and lots of storage possibilities.
  8. MDR

    MDR Member

    Aug 16, 2007
    Oakland, CA
    #8 MDR, Oct 8, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2011
    agreed on all points, especially the seats. For a car that promises class leading handling i would expect much more lateral support.

    other observations:
    -no storage/pockets in doors or seat backs.
    -didn't see any cup holders for back seat occupants.
    -no side bars/grab bars.
    -need sliding sun screen for panoramic roof. (I’m pretty sure someone a Tesla said that was in the works)
    -the nose cone is better but still needs some help. not really sure what, perhaps just less glossy.
    -that chrome accent strip below the doors just looks weired to me. Gives the illusion that the doors extend down more than the other body panels. Maybe it should run the full length from wheel opening to wheel opening or just be eliminated entirely.
  9. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    CA CA
    I thought the gauge cluster outline would be more cool if it matched the outside shape of the front grill.
    Softer like the Alfa interior feels.
  10. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

    Feb 6, 2011
    Columbia River Gorge
    I like that idea - starts to drive the look of the brand.
  11. William13

    William13 Member

    Mar 19, 2011
    South Bend
    I think and hope the dash is a work in progress.
    I agree with VXF and Bonnie. The dash should recapitulate the grill
  12. dadaleus

    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

    Aug 27, 2009
    Solana Beach, California, United States
    I want to make sure there is good phone (iPhone really) integration.
  13. mt2

    mt2 Member

    Aug 29, 2007
    Chicago Area, Northwest Burbs
    Wasn't at the event, but from the pictures I have to agree with most of your points (can't comment on the lateral support in the seats). I think extending the console to include drive selector buttons and cup holders will go a long way to making the dash look more refined. I think Franz intended to show off the humpless floor, but in my mind it's a design fail.

    My thought is to swoop it down from the touchscreen to where it links up to the armrest -- but don't extend it to the floor. Have the center console act like sort of a bridge between the dash and the armrest. You can still play footsies underneath, but gain a lot of usable surface area.

    Still, I'm not liking the idea that packages and purses from the passenger side can slide under the driver's feet while showing off some fancy slaloms.
  14. ljbad4life

    ljbad4life Member

    Nov 6, 2009
    I for one really like the simplicity and minimalist dash. I can't stand button and overly clutter dashs that plague luxury brand cars. I do have to agree that they should shape the driver's instrument panel the same as the grill, but I find it nice now too.

    My pet peeve are the seats which are probably going to be change/refined

    But overall I like the direction the tesla is going with the interior.
  15. Cobos

    Cobos S60 owner since 2013

    Jun 22, 2007
    Oslo, Norway
    #15 Cobos, Oct 9, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2011
    I'm a bit ambivalent on the dash, but stuff sliding along the end of the passenger footwell and then interfering with the pedals is not a a nice scenario. I'd gladly close up more of that space and get more interior storage space in the dash and doors.

    I would also like to adress the need for a rear window windshield wiper. Currently I can't see any windshield wipers front or rear, but I assume the front ones are there. I really really want a wiper in the back, my current sedan doesn't have that and it's really annoying.

    Looking at the current Focus, it has automatically adjusted front headlights which is nice as well as a rain sensor for the wind shield wipers which also is very usefull. Not to forget the autodimming rear view mirror.


    Edit: typos, thanks TEG
  16. dpeilow

    dpeilow Moderator

    May 23, 2008
    Winchester, UK
    If they are entering the crash test phase, will they be able to make major interior changes anyway?
  17. Norbert

    Norbert TSLA will win

    Oct 12, 2009
    San Francisco, CA
    #17 Norbert, Oct 9, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2011
    Maybe it is not the same on all betas, but in general there are two dividers, which seem to create a large open storage space there, but certainly keep things from sliding over from the passenger side:

    Photos from Sunday, October 2, 2011 (Model S event))
  18. jcstp

    jcstp Active Member

    Feb 7, 2011
  19. Tempus

    Tempus Member

    Nov 18, 2010
    I think the point of the thread is to react to what we've seen, and hopefully have a chance to influence the final form. Saying "well, its only the beta" and just hoping it looks better in the final is probably less useful.
  20. NigelM

    NigelM Recovering Member

    Apr 3, 2011
    Sarasota, FL
    +1. And maybe it would have been better to call the thread something like "Suggestions, Wishes and Recommendations" rather than making it about complaints with a sad face?

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