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Fender bender fail on AP 1.0 (My Fault)

Discussion in 'Model X' started by mk9027866, May 29, 2017.

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  1. mk9027866

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    Wasn't paying attention in stop and go traffic, guy pulled in front of me and AP failed to stop. Excuse my "NOOOO."

     
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    [QUOTE="mk9027866, post: 2124028, member: 45715"...AP failed to stop...[/QUOTE]

    Sorry that happened to you. My AP2 has dealt with that quite well most of the time but I still do have to intervene by manual braking from time to time.

    Would anyone knows about traffic law for this scenario?

    Would it be the fault of the lane changer who did not assure that the lane was clear without any speeding car coming forward?

    Or is it the fault of the existing lane driver who didn't yield for the other car that does a cut off in front maneuver?
     
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    I've seen this very scenario several times, it seems to happen when cars merge very slowly. What was your distance setting (1-7)?
     
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    I don't recall what it was exactly but I usually leave it on 4-6.
     
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    Sorry that happened to you. My AP2 has dealt with that quite well most of the time but I still do have to intervene by manual braking from time to time.

    Would anyone knows about traffic law for this scenario?

    Would it be the fault of the lane changer who did not assure that the lane was clear without any speeding car coming forward?

    Or is it the fault of the existing lane driver who didn't yield for the other car that does a cut off in front maneuver?[/QUOTE]


    I'm pretty sure it's almost always the fault of the car in the rear. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

    We didn't even exchange info and I'm having my bumper painted so it's all done anyways.
     
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    Did you send this to Tesla?
     
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    I didn't... What could they possibly do?
     
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    Tesla has already known that AP1 can still cause accidents.

    That is why if AP1 causes accident, a human driver is to blame for allowing the system to cause accident.

    There are many limitations in AP1 and Tesla is solving one by one with its own priority list.

    So in my opinion, there is no need to send it to Tesla because it only drowns them in information that they have already known.
     
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    Investigate why this occurred and notify the engineers to prevent something like this to occur in the future. They can compare the video with vehicle logs
     
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    #10 Tam, May 29, 2017
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    I am glad this incidence was resolved between both drivers.

    For reference:

    Who's at fault? Merging lane cause rear-end col - Q&A - Avvo

    It seems that if there is an evidence of "cutting off" then the lane changer is at fault.

    "Cutting Off" means your car is not completely in the new lane just yet and got hit by a car in the new lane.

    An evidence of "cutting off" could be a broken tail light on just one end, not a damage in the middle of rear bumper...

    Thus, for this case, the van did not completely get settled in entirely to the new lane and it got hit. It still straddled 2 lanes.

    My understanding is the lane changer didn't correctly estimate the new lane car speed and maneuvered a "cut off" in the hope that the speed of the new lane would decrease.
     
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    Just help future drivers and software versions. Sorry that happened. You were gracious to admit it was your fault (it likely is) but worth seeing if it could be 50/50 responsibility. I usually don't pull in front of other cars if I can't line up straight and I try to do it in a manner where driver behind me doesn't even have to slow down.
     
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    pics of damage? glad everyone is ok.
     
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    Just need the bumper painted...

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    So sorry this happened. It shouldn't take long. Try to schedule it while you are on vacation so you don't have to be without your car and in an ICE rental.
     
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    I also see the plastic piece above the wheel is popping out. You can go inside of it and move the felt line in the wheel well and it will pop back in. I just had to do it.
     

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