Totally agree. Remember to tip your moderators, it's going to get bumpy.
So yes, absolutely, tip your moderators.
But I think the bumpiness comes much more from old timers reacting negatively and aggressively against anyone who says anything that is even mildly critical or could be construed to be such.
I am super excited about Tesla, I love my car, I'm extremely used to dealing with pre-release software (though I usually don't pay $80k for a computer running pre-release software). As an open source person I am used to an open and confrontational style. If something is broken I will say "This Is Broken". I will not say "Tesla is perfect, Elon will never make a mistake, I will kiss the ground that He is walking on". And that seems to be the cause of much more bumpiness than the people who say "hey, this was broken in the upgrade". Because, guess what, IT WAS BROKEN IN THE UPGRADE. And guess what, software that upgrades and then doesn't work right isn't sufficiently tested and mature to be released without decent release notes (the ones they give us a joke) and without clear messaging that this is pre-release software.
I react extremely negatively to being treated like an idiot. Whether by Tesla or by other posters here. I have been a software developer for 30 years and have been on the leading edge of open source for over 20. Tesla is treating us at the same time as beta testers (without being open about that) and as consumers of consumer electronics (with the opacity of their releases). That combination does not sit well with me.
That doesn't mean that I don't like the product or the company. That means that I absolutely love both and constantly promote them, but I do so with an eye on intellectual honesty and a desire for a more open development model.
Moderators, after collecting my tip, please feel free to move this into a better thread - I feel this is getting off-topic for a 5.8 discussion
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I was just lamenting the fact that my favorite fanboy site had been taken over by crybabies and prima donnas.
(emphasis mine) - yeah, that's what this sometimes feels like. And I was hoping more for a site for Tesla enthusiasts discussing their favorite piece of technology - not for a fanboy site shouting down anything that could be construed as being negative.
After all, the entitlement/ me first movement is hardly specific to TMC. It's sweeping across America, and likely other countries. I blame 24 hr news networks and the the internet age. It's the perfect blend of instant feedback and lack of personal face to face discussion. Inflammatory statements can be made without consequence.
You are confusing me. So you think that people pointing out issues are cry babies and they do so anonymously here? I don't perceive this as anonymous at all - and I'll be happy to share my identity with anyone interested (and yes, a quick check shows that the first six hits for "dirkhh" on Google are me and the very first one has my full name).
Anonymity can be used to decieve and mislead. Nobody has to listen to the other guy's explanation. Tone and emotion cannot be conveyed, so misunderstanding is common. Then people get offended when you point out that theyre over-reacting to intentionally hyped fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
People also get offended if they report an issue and one of the first responses is "it's your mistake, you're making it up, get used to it".