I've also owned other cars like BMW and Mercedes before Tesla. While they didn't receive any software update, most things worked out of the box and no new bugs get introduced. Can't say the same with my Tesla in that aspect.
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FIRMWARE UPDATE! AP2 Local road driving...and holy crap
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Cinematechs
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Bet TSLA
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The point is that no legal defense will ever be necessary because nobody would be idiotic enough to think they have a case and take it to court. It's just lots of bluster. Go ahead, point me at any successful court case in the least bit similar to what is being described here.
Finder
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I agree 100% with all of this. I have a HW2 car and had some experience with it today - and I shared some feedback directly with Tesla about some edge cases I encountered. These threads make me not want to talk about the experience - everyone is so critical of Tesla for a feature they clearly say is beta.
I turned on AP and TACC - I watched it like a hawk. I knew it was beta and treated it as such. I knew it would be this way when I bought the car. I chose to be a part of the future to help Tesla collect the data and feedback it needs.
Without going into excruciating detail - a few tips from my experience with FW 17.5.28.
1. With TACC - be careful. The car can sometimes brake very briefly (detected a pending collision) when there is a sign overhead and mistake it for a car. Breaking was very brief but if someone is following you closely, turn it off. In my case the sun was facing the car directly so that didn't help I am sure.
2. Currently seeing trouble with rapidly varying contrast situations (shadows from branches, trees, etc). If you see the autopilot light flicker on and off - it is unsure where the lanes are. Don't turn it on unless you get a solid autopilot indicator - I saw it veer to the right to go into the next lane many times in this situation. In normal lighting - no issues.
3. Be weary of using it in the far right lane on an interstate highway - I have seen some issues when going past an exit - it tries to find the right side of the lane and veers to the right. Best in a middle lane with clear markers.
The software clearly states to be cautions - be aware, note the exit of the highway you are on if you see issues and call Tesla with the details (including the time as well).
Oh - and I paid for the FSD upgrade. Is it a kickstarter? Maybe. Happy to make my contribution to a better future. Hope we get there fast.
My experience exactly. Stop signs and red lights should have been code subroutine 1. Tracking the road 2. Changing lanes 3...
One of the most "amusing" posts I've read in a long time. Bravo.
Does beta really mean anything if it's perpetual beta?
From your list
#1 - Absolutely unacceptable. What are you going to paint a big BETA around every side of your car to let all the other drivers know you're in beta.
#2 - Part of a lane-steering system and that's why it's a level 2 system. Whether a system is labeled as beta or not.
#3 - This issue also occurred with the initial AP rollout with AP1 way back in firmware 7. It's mildly amusing that it exist with the AP 2.0 rollout. The turnover has to be pretty high for Tesla to completely forget about it.
I guess I'm a mix of understanding, but where I'd chew the hell out of whoever decided to release it in it's current state.
Tesla has to be really annoying to compete with since Tesla can sell something before it's even finished. Where it's out the door a good 6 months before the SW is really even at an acceptable level to be considered functional let alone refined.
If a car buyer wants some next generation feature like semi-autonomous driving the other manufactures won't have anything for at least a couple years or so.
If you simply desire a reasonably okay adaptive cruise control along with automatic emergency braking there are choices that that work fairly well from MB, Volvo. But, you have to be pretty careful since not all systems are even close. Like supposedly Range Rover doesn't have a very good adaptive cruise control system. My moms Subaru has a decent, but not great adaptive cruise control system with the eyesight system.
But, they dumbed it down to make the driver less apt to be overconfident in it.
So you never really know what it could do if it wasn't held back.
We might get a taste of what it can really do in the upcoming version of it though.
Mercedes will give Tesla's Autopilot its first real competition this year
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Well. There is at least one case where Tesla paid out a class of customers because the car was not capable of what was advertised (and this was after millions of posts on here how it was never advertised that way and that Tesla meant something different). The only reason your point still stands is due to a technicality : Tesla made a settlement before it went to a court after lower arbitration found against the company (twice if I recall but I may be wrong on that).
Finder
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Why would you say perpetual beta? It has only been a few weeks since the main rollout started.
When you enable auto steer it even has a big disclaimer you need to accept - I assume that goes away in a few months when it is more stable.
On one of your points - I want to be fair though, the TACC doesn't have a disclaimer so #1 does concern me the most, but for auto steer it clearly lets you know what you are getting into. Also worth noting it basically slowed me from 70 to 60 - unless someone was following me very closely it would be fine. Wanted to just let folks know to be careful out there if you had someone close behind you - it just tapped on the breaks unexpectedly under a sign.
I expect all of these kinks to be gone in the next few months - if it goes beyond that... well, then I will be disappointed. But right now, with a few weeks under their belt? Yeah, I will let it slide and provide feedback as requested.
The challenge is that without releasing it you don't collect as much performance data. And so the improvements would go much more slowly. In a very real way, the system is learning to drive and you can't learn to drive without driving. This is, in large part, why other manufacturers are well behind Tesla. They don't have the communications infrastructure to tune the system on live consumer cars. And so they ship using systems trained on a relatively small data set.
Tesla is going about this the right way. It may be chaotic and imperfect, but that's the best way to get there right now.
How quickly people forget about this old technology I purchased 4 months ago called AP1.0. There are features that will probably never be realized (aka always known as beta)
JoaoD
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This topic is about ap2 update. Ap2 is new. You can't say that is perpetual Beta just because AP1 is. Maybe in a few years you can, not now.
OBX John
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Has anyone else noticed a tendency towards hyperbole on this site? Maybe it's just my perception. 
I'll admit I had to do an "expectation adjustment", but I'd still never drive anything else. FSD might be a kickstarter project, but I'm still looking forward to what may come.
I'll most likely be taking the beach road again today, just to experience a car that can drive itself under certain circumstances. I expect those circumstances will continue to grow in number, but I don't expect to be relieved of my duty to supervise the car's actions. I'm ok with being a backseat driver - especially since the computer doesn't get annoyed at me like my wife does when I tell her to quit tailgating.
Here's to the next update, may our speeds continue to increase.
I'll admit I had to do an "expectation adjustment", but I'd still never drive anything else. FSD might be a kickstarter project, but I'm still looking forward to what may come.
I'll most likely be taking the beach road again today, just to experience a car that can drive itself under certain circumstances. I expect those circumstances will continue to grow in number, but I don't expect to be relieved of my duty to supervise the car's actions. I'm ok with being a backseat driver - especially since the computer doesn't get annoyed at me like my wife does when I tell her to quit tailgating.
Here's to the next update, may our speeds continue to increase.
Sully's8
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Cogent. Great response- particularly around the overpromise / underdeliver piece. Thank you.
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We are most certainly not in the beta test phase. A beta test implies the software is mostly done and we are working out a few minor glitches.
Definition of Beta test:
"Second level, external pilot-test of a product (usually a software) before commercial quantity production. At the beta test stage, the product has already passed through the first-level, internal pilot-test (alpha test) and glaring defects have been removed. But (since the product may still have some minor problems that require user participation) it is released to selected customers for testing under normal, everyday conditions of use to spot the remaining flaws."
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Definition of Beta test:
"Second level, external pilot-test of a product (usually a software) before commercial quantity production. At the beta test stage, the product has already passed through the first-level, internal pilot-test (alpha test) and glaring defects have been removed. But (since the product may still have some minor problems that require user participation) it is released to selected customers for testing under normal, everyday conditions of use to spot the remaining flaws."
Read more: What is beta test? definition and meaning
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