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First 24hrs with my Model Y Performance (spoiler: full motor failure)

Backstory

I've always been into cars, and I was looking to get a new vehicle as my winter/practical car. I'm keeping my S4 and 718 Cayman S as well, so this was going to be in addition to those 2. I've been in enough Audi/BMW/Mercs/Porsches and wanted something different. Smooth power, roomy interior, cool factor and quiet ride were my main considerations. I don't need the all out performance of something like an X3M or GLC63 since I've got other cars. I wanted this to be a stark contrast to my current 2 vehicles.

Decided a MYP would be a good fit, especially with very strong resale value. I can keep it for a few years and see what the electric market is like with Rivian, electric Macan etc. The ordering and delivery process was terrible, but that's another story. It was easily the worst "dealership" experience I've had buying any car (new or used).

Anyways, I get my car on the evening of Dec 10th. By the afternoon of the 11th, it had a rear motor failure followed by a completely dead vehicle that's unable to drive.

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Motor Failure

Picked up my blue on white MYP on the evening of Dec 10th. By the afternoon of the 11th, it had a rear motor failure and 2 mins later was completely undriveable and had to be towed to the dealer. It was being driven at 60km/h when a warning came up about the rear motor. A couple mins later, it was fully dead. Luckily I was near a friends house and parked it in their driveway. Would have sucked if this happened on the highway. I googled the error and it seems like this has happened to other people before, and usually pretty soon after delivery. Still, off too a pretty terrible start with the car.

Bad things I've noticed over the first 24hrs, coming from someone who's into cars and driven a bunch of stuff on street/track:

Build Quality: Wasn't expecting much here, so I was ok with some gaps and not having perfect panels. There was some glue residue on the edges of the panoramic roof, and there were marks on the headliner when I took delivery. The interior plastic piece on the b pillar has a massive gap between it and the roof on 1 side. Otherwise, I'm totally ok with it. I knew what I was getting into and wasn't expecting it to be on the level of the germans.


Closing the Door: You have to pull pretty hard to actually close the door. It wasn't just me either. Multiple people failed to close the door properly the first time they tried. You really have to slam it more than any other car I've owned. Not a very nice experience for the user. I can imagine some older person actually having trouble to close it properly.


Honk Upon Lock: I can't believe this car makes a cheap honk sound when you lock it like some early 2000s GM car. It should 100% have some pleasant sounding chip/beep.


Loud Seat Motors: Loudest seat motors I've heard, especially the lumbar.


Cheap Carpet Mats: I've already installed proper mats, but the stock carpet mats (only included for driver and passenger) are the thinnest and cheapest feeling carpet mats I've experienced. They're so lightweight and flimsy with no impression of quality. This doesn't matter too much, but it speaks to the cost cutting happening everywhere.


Can't View Songs on Phone? Unless I'm dumb, is there actually no way to view a list of all music on my iPhone and pick something? The interface between phone and the car is terrible and super limited. I really hope I'm missing something here. There isn't even an easy way to activate Siri since the in-car voice button will trigger the Tesla voice assistant. Very disappointed in the user experience here.


Flimsy Sunshades: Once again, more cost cutting. You can easily feel the cardboard inside them. There is absolutely no feeling of quality when operating them. There's also a little flap of fabric that covers the mirror instead of a sliding piece of plastic or plastic cover. Feels like something I'd expect in a $10k car.


Very Unrefined Suspension: This is probably my biggest "real" complaint. It feels like *sugar*. There is no sense of money or R&D put into it. It's so crashy when driving and you can literally hear creaks and noises from the suspension being transmitted into the vehicle while driving (with the music off). The dampening feels like crap and there's no reason for this car to ride this terribly. I bet you an A class has a more upscale feeling suspension. No adaptive dampening available is also a joke. I expected this based on some reviews, but it's next level bad. My Cayman S with Sport PASM feels light years ahead in suspension setup. Maybe if you're coming from a Civic or Camry this is acceptable to you, but if you've driven any modern car from a luxury brand, this is appalling.


Headliner: I'm probably just spoiled, but I thought most cars nowadays had a fabric headliner. Not the MYP. It looks like fabric, but when you touch it, it's a nasty cheap plastic type of material. Come on, I get you have to cut costs, but this is nearly $100k after tax in Canada.


Auto Dimming Mirrors: These work well enough, but the portion of the mirror that auto dims is small. There is a thick border around the auto-dim part of the mirror, where it's normal and reflective. I've never had another car where it stands out this much. You can almost be blinded by lights in this outer border since it's so chunky. It should definitely extend more towards the edges of the mirror.


HomeLink Garage Opener: Just another example of more cost cutting. Even Porsche gives this to you. I'm sure it's Tesla being cheap and not wanting to pay the license fee to HomeLink for every car sold. I know they offer it as a dealer accessory for like $400, but come on.


Straight Line Speed: It's actually not as fast as I expected. If you're not used to fast cars, this will feel like a space ship. If you're driven modern performance cars, it's nothing special. I feel like the MYP has an adequate amount of power. I feel like it needs another 100hp to be classified as a proper performance variant. My other cars both feel just as fast and launch significantly harder with launch control. The MYP rolls into the power softly from a dig. When you're rolling, it does feel great - but so does any other modern fast car if you're in the right gear.


Blind Spot Monitoring: It's just sad that the car doesn't have true blind spot monitoring like every other modern car. I knew it didn't have it (the chime/assist thing is garbage vs a proper system) so I was prepared for this, but just 1 more thing it's missing.


Rear Visibility: Terrible due to the slope of the rear glass. Worse than all its competitors. I'm ok with this but some people might not be.


Heated Steering Wheel: It seems to cycle on/off to regulate the temperate. The problem is that it's either nice and toasty or very noticeably colder when it turns off. I wish it be consistent. It's a stark contrast and very noticeable as it turns on and off while attempting to maintain a warm wheel.


Auto High Beam: Very inconsistent and basically unusable in my short night time testing. I live near some rural roads with a single lane in each direction and it wasn't very sure about when to turn the high beams on/off. I ended up turning it off after getting fed up with the system.



Good things about the car:


Smoothness: I love how smooth it is with no transmission. This is exactly what I wanted. Both my other cars have a DCT and they get pretty clunky in the winter when cold. It's very nice not to feel any shifts. Smoothness also goes for power delivery. It's not as fast as I expected, but I love how smooth it feels when accelerating.


Quietness: I was on the fence about this before getting the car. I expected it to be very loud on the highway based on some things I've read. I was very happy with the cabin volume and found it to be much quieter than expected. Maybe I'm just used to louder performance cars and that's why I think this is quiet, but regardless, I think interior noise is totally acceptable for what the car is.


Interior Space: This thing is massive inside. I love how much rear seat room you have, all the trunks and under floor storage you have. It feels so nice and airy while driving too. The way the windows are positioned and the drivers seat. I love how open it all feels. The white interior also helps out here.


Sound System: I had read some major complaints so I was expecting the worst. It really isn't that bad. It's half decent. Don't go expecting 7 series or S class quality, but I think it's totally acceptable for this class of vehicle. Those complaints were way overblown to me. I'm using bluetooth streaming from my iPhone which I believe is the 2nd clearest source with USB being the best.


Overall, I still think it's a decent car. I expected the cost cutting and knew about some of the downsides going into it, but it's always different once you actually own the car. For the reasons I wanted the car, it works well. The suspension is easily the biggest let down. If they give it air suspension, increase power and fix up their UX, I think they could have nearly perfect compact SUV. And offer some kind of luxury package for $5k to make the interior feel more expensive. Nicer headliner, nicer door cards, better carpeting, more sound deadening etc.

Also, I love to complain and nitpick basically every car, so I'm definitely more critical than most people. Your average buyer coming from a Prius would love this thing inside and out. I realize I'm more spoiled by nicer cars and having spent significant time with luxury brands.

Lmk if you guys have any questions! Happy to answer them.



Edit: replying to some basic questions. Will do more individual responses later on.

Yes, I'm still happy with the purchase. I knew what I was getting into. I just wanted to share my experience as someone who owns my current 2 cars (2017 Cayman S and 2012 Audi S4 w/ tune).


Straight line speed: I have dragy numbers for all 3 cars. With NO rollout:

718 Cayman S - 4.13 seconds

Audi S4 w/ tune - 4.32 seconds

Model Y Performance - 4.10 seconds

With rollout, all 3 cars are easily in the 3 second range. Numbers on paper don't always reflect what a car feels like in real life. I'm just saying that I expected the Y Performance to feel faster off the line vs combustion cars, but in reality it's nearly identical if you mash the throttle. Again, compared to the 2 cars I own. I'm not saying it's slow, but it's a speed I'm used to and find adequate. It doesn't feel like it's crazy fast. It IS very nice for passing power while cruising.
 

OxBrew

MYLR - Prototype Design/Dev 1996-Pres
Sep 23, 2021
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Backstory
I've always been into cars, and I was looking to get a new vehicle as my winter/practical car. I'm keeping my S4 and 718 Cayman as well, so this was going to be in addition to those 2. I've been in enough Audi/BMW/Mercs and wanted something different. Smooth power, roomy interior, cool factor and quiet ride were my main considerations. I don't need the all out performance of something like an X3M or GLC63 since I've got other cars. I wanted this to be a stark contrast to my current 2 vehicles.


Decided a MYP would be a good fit, especially with very strong resale value. I can keep it for a few years and see what the electric market is like with Rivian, electric Macan etc. The ordering and delivery process was terrible, but that's another whole story. It was easily the worst "dealership" experience I've had buying any car (new or used).


Anyways, I get my car on the evening of Dec 10th. By the afternoon of the 11th, it had a rear motor failure followed by a completely dead vehicle that's unable to drive.


Motor Failure
Picked up my blue on white MYP on the evening of Dec 10th. By the afternoon of the 11th, it had a rear motor failure and 2 mins later was completely undriveable and had to be towed to the dealer. It was being driven at 60km/h when a warning came up about the rear motor. A couple mins later, it was fully dead. Luckily I was near a friends house and parked it in their driveway. Would have sucked if this happened on the highway. I googled the error and it seems like this has happened to other people before, and usually pretty soon after delivery. Still, off too a pretty terrible start with the car.



Bad things I've noticed over the first 24hrs, coming from someone who's into cars and driven a bunch of stuff on street/track:


Build Quality: Wasn't expecting much here, so I was ok with some gaps and not having perfect panels. There was some glue residue on the edges of the panoramic roof, and there were marks on the headliner when I took delivery. The interior plastic piece on the b pillar has a massive gap between it and the roof on 1 side. Otherwise, I'm totally ok with it. I knew what I was getting into and wasn't expecting it to be on the level of the germans.


Closing the Door: You have to pull pretty hard to actually close the door. It wasn't just me either. Multiple people failed to close the door properly the first time they tried. You really have to slam it more than any other car I've owned. Not a very nice experience for the user. I can imagine some older person actually having trouble to close it properly.


Honk Upon Lock: I can't believe this car makes a cheap honk sound when you lock it like some early 2000s GM car. It should 100% have some pleasant sounding chip/beep.


Loud Seat Motors: Loudest seat motors I've heard, especially the lumbar.


Cheap Carpet Mats: I've already installed proper mats, but the stock carpet mats (only included for driver and passenger) are the thinnest and cheapest feeling carpet mats I've experienced. They're so lightweight and flimsy with no impression of quality. This doesn't matter too much, but it speaks to the cost cutting happening everywhere.


Can't View Songs on Phone? Unless I'm dumb, is there actually no way to view a list of all music on my iPhone and pick something? The interface between phone and the car is terrible and super limited. I really hope I'm missing something here. There isn't even an easy way to activate Siri since the in-car voice button will trigger the Tesla voice assistant. Very disappointed in the user experience here.

Flimsy Sunshades: Once again, more cost cutting. You can easily feel the cardboard inside them. There is absolutely no feeling of quality when operating them. There's also a little flap of fabric that covers the mirror instead of a sliding piece of plastic or plastic cover. Feels like something I'd expect in a $10k car.


Very Unrefined Suspension: This is probably my biggest "real" complaint. It feels like *sugar*. There is no sense of money or R&D put into it. It's so crashy when driving and you can literally hear creaks and noises from the suspension being transmitted into the vehicle while driving (with the music off). The dampening feels like crap and there's no reason for this car to ride this terribly. I bet you an A class has a more upscale feeling suspension. No adaptive dampening available is also a joke. I expected this based on some reviews, but it's next level bad. My Cayman S with Sport PASM feels light years ahead in suspension setup. Maybe if you're coming from a Civic or Camry this is acceptable to you, but if you've driven any modern car from a luxury brand, this is appalling.


Headliner: I'm probably just spoiled, but I thought most cars nowadays had a fabric headliner. Not the MYP. It looks like fabric, but when you touch it, it's a nasty cheap plastic type of material. Come on, I get you have to cut costs, but this is nearly $100k after tax in Canada.


Auto Dimming Mirrors: These work well enough, but the portion of the mirror that auto dims is small. There is a thick border around the auto-dim part of the mirror, where it's normal and reflective. I've never had another car where it stands out this much. You can almost be blinded by lights in this outer border since it's so chunky. It should definitely extend more towards the edges of the mirror.


HomeLink Garage Opener: Just another example of more cost cutting. Even Porsche gives this to you. I'm sure it's Tesla being cheap and not wanting to pay the license fee to HomeLink for every car sold. I know they offer it as a dealer accessory for like $400, but come on.


Straight Line Speed: It's actually not as fast as I expected. If you're not used to fast cars, this will feel like a space ship. If you're driven modern performance cars, it's nothing special. I feel like the MYP has an adequate amount of power. I feel like it needs another 100hp to be classified as a proper performance variant. My other cars both feel just as fast and launch significantly harder with launch control. The MYP rolls into the power softly from a dig. When you're rolling, it does feel great - but so does any other modern fast car if you're in the right gear.


Good things about the car:


Smoothness: I love how smooth it is with no transmission. This is exactly what I wanted. Both my other cars have a DCT and they get pretty clunky in the winter when cold. It's very nice not to feel any shifts. Smoothness also goes for power delivery. It's not as fast as I expected, but I love how smooth it feels when accelerating.


Quietness: I was on the fence about this before getting the car. I expected it to be very loud on the highway based on some things I've read. I was very happy with the cabin volume and found it to be much quieter than expected. Maybe I'm just used to louder performance cars and that's why I think this is quiet, but regardless, I think interior noise is totally acceptable for what the car is.


Interior Space: This thing is massive inside. I love how much rear seat room you have, all the trunks and under floor storage you have. It feels so nice and airy while driving too. The way the windows are positioned and the drivers seat. I love how open it all feels. The white interior also helps out here.


Overall, I still think it's a decent car. I expected the cost cutting and knew about some of the downsides going into it, but it's always different once you actually own the car. For the reasons I wanted the car, it works well. The suspension is easily the biggest let down. If they give it air suspension, increase power and fix up their UX, I think they could have nearly perfect compact SUV. And offer some kind of luxury package for $5k to make the interior feel more expensive. Nicer headliner, nicer door cards, better carpeting, more sound deadening etc.


Also, I love to complain and nitpick basically every car, so I'm definitely more critical than most people. Your average buyer coming from a Prius would love this thing inside and out. I realize I'm more spoiled by nicer cars and having spent significant time with luxury brands.
IDK, handling? Maybe drive a 3P? I hear they are phenomenal. Visors: do we have the same ones? Mine feel solid, cloth covered, fine. I like the flip covers, like an ipad cover. Headliner is cloth, just not thick, but OK.

The speed thing: I only have an LR, can easily feel the difference from a friend's 3P, but this is a compact SUV or maybe a crossover. It's a gear and family hauler, and it's great for that.

I think in the end it's not so much where you came from (Subaru Outback, but all my friends drive Audis, Lexi, and Beemers, not impressed, TBH) but what you expect from it. I framed the car as an alternative to a new 35k Outback H6, except I prepaid 10 years of fuel and maintenance (based on our last 10 years of actual expenses), and I don't have to burn any more oil.

Sorry about your motor, that really sucks. Hope they can fix it fast and well.
 

jcanoe

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Oct 2, 2020
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Even though you have other vehicles you can drive Tesla should offer to provide you with a loaner vehicle until your PMY has been repaired. Any loaner vehicle might be an older Model S lease return. It probably won't be clean but will include free use of a Supercharger. Also you would have another Tesla vehicle with which to compare the ride of the Performance Model Y (the Model S rides very smoothly, handles the bumps quite well.)
 
Backstory

I've always been into cars, and I was looking to get a new vehicle as my winter/practical car. I'm keeping my S4 and 718 Cayman S as well, so this was going to be in addition to those 2. I've been in enough Audi/BMW/Mercs/Porsches and wanted something different. Smooth power, roomy interior, cool factor and quiet ride were my main considerations. I don't need the all out performance of something like an X3M or GLC63 since I've got other cars. I wanted this to be a stark contrast to my current 2 vehicles.

Decided a MYP would be a good fit, especially with very strong resale value. I can keep it for a few years and see what the electric market is like with Rivian, electric Macan etc. The ordering and delivery process was terrible, but that's another story. It was easily the worst "dealership" experience I've had buying any car (new or used).

Anyways, I get my car on the evening of Dec 10th. By the afternoon of the 11th, it had a rear motor failure followed by a completely dead vehicle that's unable to drive.

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Motor Failure

Picked up my blue on white MYP on the evening of Dec 10th. By the afternoon of the 11th, it had a rear motor failure and 2 mins later was completely undriveable and had to be towed to the dealer. It was being driven at 60km/h when a warning came up about the rear motor. A couple mins later, it was fully dead. Luckily I was near a friends house and parked it in their driveway. Would have sucked if this happened on the highway. I googled the error and it seems like this has happened to other people before, and usually pretty soon after delivery. Still, off too a pretty terrible start with the car.

Bad things I've noticed over the first 24hrs, coming from someone who's into cars and driven a bunch of stuff on street/track:

Build Quality: Wasn't expecting much here, so I was ok with some gaps and not having perfect panels. There was some glue residue on the edges of the panoramic roof, and there were marks on the headliner when I took delivery. The interior plastic piece on the b pillar has a massive gap between it and the roof on 1 side. Otherwise, I'm totally ok with it. I knew what I was getting into and wasn't expecting it to be on the level of the germans.


Closing the Door: You have to pull pretty hard to actually close the door. It wasn't just me either. Multiple people failed to close the door properly the first time they tried. You really have to slam it more than any other car I've owned. Not a very nice experience for the user. I can imagine some older person actually having trouble to close it properly.


Honk Upon Lock: I can't believe this car makes a cheap honk sound when you lock it like some early 2000s GM car. It should 100% have some pleasant sounding chip/beep.


Loud Seat Motors: Loudest seat motors I've heard, especially the lumbar.


Cheap Carpet Mats: I've already installed proper mats, but the stock carpet mats (only included for driver and passenger) are the thinnest and cheapest feeling carpet mats I've experienced. They're so lightweight and flimsy with no impression of quality. This doesn't matter too much, but it speaks to the cost cutting happening everywhere.


Can't View Songs on Phone? Unless I'm dumb, is there actually no way to view a list of all music on my iPhone and pick something? The interface between phone and the car is terrible and super limited. I really hope I'm missing something here. There isn't even an easy way to activate Siri since the in-car voice button will trigger the Tesla voice assistant. Very disappointed in the user experience here.


Flimsy Sunshades: Once again, more cost cutting. You can easily feel the cardboard inside them. There is absolutely no feeling of quality when operating them. There's also a little flap of fabric that covers the mirror instead of a sliding piece of plastic or plastic cover. Feels like something I'd expect in a $10k car.


Very Unrefined Suspension: This is probably my biggest "real" complaint. It feels like *sugar*. There is no sense of money or R&D put into it. It's so crashy when driving and you can literally hear creaks and noises from the suspension being transmitted into the vehicle while driving (with the music off). The dampening feels like crap and there's no reason for this car to ride this terribly. I bet you an A class has a more upscale feeling suspension. No adaptive dampening available is also a joke. I expected this based on some reviews, but it's next level bad. My Cayman S with Sport PASM feels light years ahead in suspension setup. Maybe if you're coming from a Civic or Camry this is acceptable to you, but if you've driven any modern car from a luxury brand, this is appalling.


Headliner: I'm probably just spoiled, but I thought most cars nowadays had a fabric headliner. Not the MYP. It looks like fabric, but when you touch it, it's a nasty cheap plastic type of material. Come on, I get you have to cut costs, but this is nearly $100k after tax in Canada.


Auto Dimming Mirrors: These work well enough, but the portion of the mirror that auto dims is small. There is a thick border around the auto-dim part of the mirror, where it's normal and reflective. I've never had another car where it stands out this much. You can almost be blinded by lights in this outer border since it's so chunky. It should definitely extend more towards the edges of the mirror.


HomeLink Garage Opener: Just another example of more cost cutting. Even Porsche gives this to you. I'm sure it's Tesla being cheap and not wanting to pay the license fee to HomeLink for every car sold. I know they offer it as a dealer accessory for like $400, but come on.


Straight Line Speed: It's actually not as fast as I expected. If you're not used to fast cars, this will feel like a space ship. If you're driven modern performance cars, it's nothing special. I feel like the MYP has an adequate amount of power. I feel like it needs another 100hp to be classified as a proper performance variant. My other cars both feel just as fast and launch significantly harder with launch control. The MYP rolls into the power softly from a dig. When you're rolling, it does feel great - but so does any other modern fast car if you're in the right gear.


Blind Spot Monitoring: It's just sad that the car doesn't have true blind spot monitoring like every other modern car. I knew it didn't have it (the chime/assist thing is garbage vs a proper system) so I was prepared for this, but just 1 more thing it's missing.


Rear Visibility: Terrible due to the slope of the rear glass. Worse than all its competitors. I'm ok with this but some people might not be.


Heated Steering Wheel: It seems to cycle on/off to regulate the temperate. The problem is that it's either nice and toasty or very noticeably colder when it turns off. I wish it be consistent. It's a stark contrast and very noticeable as it turns on and off while attempting to maintain a warm wheel.


Auto High Beam: Very inconsistent and basically unusable in my short night time testing. I live near some rural roads with a single lane in each direction and it wasn't very sure about when to turn the high beams on/off. I ended up turning it off after getting fed up with the system.



Good things about the car:


Smoothness: I love how smooth it is with no transmission. This is exactly what I wanted. Both my other cars have a DCT and they get pretty clunky in the winter when cold. It's very nice not to feel any shifts. Smoothness also goes for power delivery. It's not as fast as I expected, but I love how smooth it feels when accelerating.


Quietness: I was on the fence about this before getting the car. I expected it to be very loud on the highway based on some things I've read. I was very happy with the cabin volume and found it to be much quieter than expected. Maybe I'm just used to louder performance cars and that's why I think this is quiet, but regardless, I think interior noise is totally acceptable for what the car is.


Interior Space: This thing is massive inside. I love how much rear seat room you have, all the trunks and under floor storage you have. It feels so nice and airy while driving too. The way the windows are positioned and the drivers seat. I love how open it all feels. The white interior also helps out here.


Sound System: I had read some major complaints so I was expecting the worst. It really isn't that bad. It's half decent. Don't go expecting 7 series or S class quality, but I think it's totally acceptable for this class of vehicle. Those complaints were way overblown to me. I'm using bluetooth streaming from my iPhone which I believe is the 2nd clearest source with USB being the best.


Overall, I still think it's a decent car. I expected the cost cutting and knew about some of the downsides going into it, but it's always different once you actually own the car. For the reasons I wanted the car, it works well. The suspension is easily the biggest let down. If they give it air suspension, increase power and fix up their UX, I think they could have nearly perfect compact SUV. And offer some kind of luxury package for $5k to make the interior feel more expensive. Nicer headliner, nicer door cards, better carpeting, more sound deadening etc.

Also, I love to complain and nitpick basically every car, so I'm definitely more critical than most people. Your average buyer coming from a Prius would love this thing inside and out. I realize I'm more spoiled by nicer cars and having spent significant time with luxury brands.

Lmk if you guys have any questions! Happy to answer them.



Edit: replying to some basic questions. Will do more individual responses later on.

Yes, I'm still happy with the purchase. I knew what I was getting into. I just wanted to share my experience as someone who owns my current 2 cars (2017 Cayman S and 2012 Audi S4 w/ tune).


Straight line speed: I have dragy numbers for all 3 cars. With NO rollout:

718 Cayman S - 4.13 seconds

Audi S4 w/ tune - 4.32 seconds

Model Y Performance - 4.10 seconds

With rollout, all 3 cars are easily in the 3 second range. Numbers on paper don't always reflect what a car feels like in real life. I'm just saying that I expected the Y Performance to feel faster off the line vs combustion cars, but in reality it's nearly identical if you mash the throttle. Again, compared to the 2 cars I own. I'm not saying it's slow, but it's a speed I'm used to and find adequate. It doesn't feel like it's crazy fast. It IS very nice for passing power while cruising.
Feels like a superbly accurate and unemotional assessment. Nice!
 
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Even though you have other vehicles you can drive Tesla should offer to provide you with a loaner vehicle until your PMY has been repaired. Any loaner vehicle might be an older Model S lease return. It probably won't be clean but will include free use of a Supercharger. Also you would have another Tesla vehicle with which to compare the ride of the Performance Model Y (the Model S rides very smoothly, handles the bumps quite well.)
Yeah, I got a Model S loaner and the air suspension really helps this ride 10x better. Hopefully they introduce it to the Model Y at some point. I'd upgrade for that alone. The loaner is a 7yr old P90D which is kind of a shame. Was hoping for something newer. This car definitely feels 7yrs old.
 
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JimmySure

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Thought this was an interesting comment: "I don't need the all out performance of something like an X3M or GLC63 since I've got other cars. I wanted this to be a stark contrast to my current 2 vehicles."

When you say "all out performance", how are you defining this? Something beyond acceleration? Because I have a MYLR with AB and was able to stay side-by-side with a modified GLC63 (exhaust...not sure what else) merging onto the highway up to 90ish at which point neither of us were pulling. I'm not sure either of those vehicles without some major mods actually deliver more performance than a stock MYP. My fiance has a 2016 M4 and they are pretty even from a roll but the Model Y just destroys it off the line. I think the smoothness of these cars makes them feel slower than they are.
 
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Thought this was an interesting comment: "I don't need the all out performance of something like an X3M or GLC63 since I've got other cars. I wanted this to be a stark contrast to my current 2 vehicles."

When you say "all out performance", how are you defining this? Something beyond acceleration? Because I have a MYLR with AB and was able to stay side-by-side with a modified GLC63 (exhaust...not sure what else) merging onto the highway up to 90ish at which point neither of us were pulling. I'm not sure either of those vehicles without some major mods actually deliver more performance than a stock MYP. My fiance has a 2016 M4 and they are pretty even from a roll but the Model Y just destroys it off the line. I think the smoothness of these cars makes them feel slower than they are.

I meant something that's a full package for performance and not only for straight line speed. Much better suspension, better brakes, more driver focused driving modes etc. Those cars dynamically feel so much more focused vs the MYP. Straight line I totally agree with you.
 
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I agree with many of your observations. There is no excuse for the "Cheap" quality interior like the carpet, plastic trim and such. The Germans and Japanese and even US makers have managed to put out some very decent stuff even in the lower end cars for years. The garage door opener is a mystery to me.. taking lessons from Chrysler on that one and not a good one. I ended up with a Tailwind unit. The suspension is a love/hate thing. It desperately needs tuning. I think the bones are good but they dont have a clue how to make springs and shocks work well together. The car is definitely harsher than what it needs/should be. There are a bunch of other things that nag at me.. lack of automatic trunk open/close ( my wife's mini van has this and it was MUCH cheaper).. crappy LED lighting and many of these complaints go back years. They are not new and even have a complete sub-industry in business cranking out trunk/funk kits, soft close doors, audio upgrades and all the rest that should just be part of the car at this stage.

Dont get me wrong, at this point in time, I would not trade my Tesla in for anything else.. but.. and Tesla should be taking notes, but in two-three years time when it's time to get a new EV, unless things change, Tesla won't be my first choice. There are good number of other more refined EVs coming out that will eat Tesla lunch if they dont get it together. When I drop 50-70K on a car, I have a certain level of expectation and Tesla isn't meeting it. I will give them a pass for now being the new kid, disrupter in the market, early adopting etc.. but when the market gives me more choices.. all bets are off.
 
I feel you 100% across the board. I have 2 other German cars and I was more looking for something better and cooler than a prius to do errands, etc. Being that as it may, later down the road it will be interesting to see where the market goes, because as the biggest in the game, Tesla leaves a lot to be desired. I see so many people who are like I never drive my 911, etc,. anymore with the Tesla. To me they obviously aren't enthusiasts!! It's a great car to run around town without gas to do errands, etc, but I would be really disappointed as a driving enthusiast if this was my only vehicle, for sure! Everyone goes on and on about how fast they are, but there is so much more joy in an old powerless Miata than a Tesla performance version, speed is just a small part of the equation.

PS, yes the visibility and blind spot system is terrible. A company that makes BMW parts makes nice custom add on mirrors though for the Y on Amazon (NXTGEN Automotive), they work very well!!
 

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I agree with many of your observations. There is no excuse for the "Cheap" quality interior like the carpet, plastic trim and such. The Germans and Japanese and even US makers have managed to put out some very decent stuff even in the lower end cars for years.
On the carpet issue, I have to disagree. Yes, they are cheap feeling and lightweight. But so were the carpets in my BMW F80 M3. I suspect that the thin, light carpets were chosen for weight considerations.
 

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I feel that Tesla could remove the carpeted mats as standard equipment, save a few $ per vehicle. Tesla owners who want the carpeted mats could order them from Tesla. Many Tesla Model Y owners on TMC seem to prefer premium floor liners for year round use as they are very easy to keep clean.
 

Pianewman

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(Carpeted floors? I would prefer a rubber liner, with totally removable carpeting (Lloyd's?) that can be easily removed for cleaning. It's a real pain trying to vacuum grit out of deep carpet w/o the ability to take it out and invert/shake it.)
 

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(Carpeted floors? I would prefer a rubber liner, with totally removable carpeting (Lloyd's?) that can be easily removed for cleaning. It's a real pain trying to vacuum grit out of deep carpet w/o the ability to take it out and invert/shake it.)
Wont disagree with that. I put in some Tesla Shields. Nice compromise between rubber mats and carpet that is a dirt magnet :). But, the carpet performs one task that the Tesla desperately needs. Cabin sound reduction. Way too much noise when rolling down the road. My A3 despite being ICE was significantly quieter in the cabin. Decent carpet/underlayment helps with that. I'm not going to put my bare feet into it :D. I'm looking at some noise reduction kits for the Funk/Trunk and the front wheel liners to see if I can knock it down some.
 
I agree with many of your observations. There is no excuse for the "Cheap" quality interior like the carpet, plastic trim and such. The Germans and Japanese and even US makers have managed to put out some very decent stuff even in the lower end cars for years. The garage door opener is a mystery to me.. taking lessons from Chrysler on that one and not a good one. I ended up with a Tailwind unit. The suspension is a love/hate thing. It desperately needs tuning. I think the bones are good but they dont have a clue how to make springs and shocks work well together. The car is definitely harsher than what it needs/should be. There are a bunch of other things that nag at me.. lack of automatic trunk open/close ( my wife's mini van has this and it was MUCH cheaper).. crappy LED lighting and many of these complaints go back years. They are not new and even have a complete sub-industry in business cranking out trunk/funk kits, soft close doors, audio upgrades and all the rest that should just be part of the car at this stage.

Dont get me wrong, at this point in time, I would not trade my Tesla in for anything else.. but.. and Tesla should be taking notes, but in two-three years time when it's time to get a new EV, unless things change, Tesla won't be my first choice. There are good number of other more refined EVs coming out that will eat Tesla lunch if they dont get it together. When I drop 50-70K on a car, I have a certain level of expectation and Tesla isn't meeting it. I will give them a pass for now being the new kid, disrupter in the market, early adopting etc.. but when the market gives me more choices.. all bets are off.

Exactly. Im excited to see what the market is like in a few years from now. They can't keep getting away with these cost cutting measures forever. I totally forgot to complain about the ambient interior lighting. It's a joke when a new Golf or Mini Cooper has much more advanced mood lighting.
 
I feel you 100% across the board. I have 2 other German cars and I was more looking for something better and cooler than a prius to do errands, etc. Being that as it may, later down the road it will be interesting to see where the market goes, because as the biggest in the game, Tesla leaves a lot to be desired. I see so many people who are like I never drive my 911, etc,. anymore with the Tesla. To me they obviously aren't enthusiasts!! It's a great car to run around town without gas to do errands, etc, but I would be really disappointed as a driving enthusiast if this was my only vehicle, for sure! Everyone goes on and on about how fast they are, but there is so much more joy in an old powerless Miata than a Tesla performance version, speed is just a small part of the equation.

PS, yes the visibility and blind spot system is terrible. A company that makes BMW parts makes nice custom add on mirrors though for the Y on Amazon (NXTGEN Automotive), they work very well!!

Yup, totally agree. I feel like lots of people are either Tesla enthusiasts or car enthusiasts and then there's a small group in the middle that sees both sides. There is absolutely no way I would have this as my only car. Like you said, those people ditching their sports cars for Teslas were never true driving enthusiasts to begin with, which is totally ok. Just don't go pretending like Tesla is the best car ever and talk crap about anything non-Tesla.
 
Many of your comments concerning the interior's lack of premium feel mirror my going-in concerns - I take delivery in a few days (Friday). Having owned many BMWs and Audis, I'm hoping the Tesla positives outweigh the hand full of negatives. For $70K (in the US), I would at least expect Mazda CX-5 level materials (which are no slouch). Tesla may be in front now, but the market is going to change drastically in 3-4 years. If Tesla doesn't improve its material quality, fit and finish, and infotainment integration they will quickly start to lose out to the Germans and Japanese makers, and eventually Ford, GM, etc.

Already experiencing motor failure is really worrisome. What's your VIN (roughly)?
Also, did it come with P-Zeros? That's what it looks like..
 
Many of your comments concerning the interior's lack of premium feel mirror my going-in concerns - I take delivery in a few days (Friday). Having owned many BMWs and Audis, I'm hoping the Tesla positives outweigh the hand full of negatives. For $70K (in the US), I would at least expect Mazda CX-5 level materials (which are no slouch). Tesla may be in front now, but the market is going to change drastically in 3-4 years. If Tesla doesn't improve its material quality, fit and finish, and infotainment integration they will quickly start to lose out to the Germans and Japanese makers, and eventually Ford, GM, etc.

Already experiencing motor failure is really worrisome. What's your VIN (roughly)?
Also, did it come with P-Zeros? That's what it looks like..

Yup, came with Pirellis. VIN is 317XXX
 
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What many performance drivers ignore is that in daily driving the Tesla gives far better throttle response when needing to speed up. In an ICE car you tromp on the throttle and need to wait 1/2 second for the transmission to kick down several gears, the turbo to spin up and the driveline to load up. All this gives an ICE car a nice roar and kick in the butt slingshot "feeling" but in reality, the Tesla is already out in front due to instant throttle response.

Same with performance ICE cars off the line. In order to get max thrust you need to go through all the steps of their Launch Control. Few have this luxury when you simply need to get ahead of other cars when the light turns green. Just stomp it...and off you go.

Same thing with braking. In an ICE you need to let off the throttle and the automatic transmission will free wheel. Then you need to move your foot off the gas and up and over to the brake pedal. Then apply the brakes to slow you down. With Tesla you simply raise your foot the amount necessary to give you the regen braking you need around town. Only in heavy braking do you need to use the central mechanical brake application.

It is the driving experience that sets Tesla apart from the Slam Bam...Thank you Mam style that is rampant in the ICE systems.
 

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