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First L3 Self Driving Car - Audi A8 world premieres in Barcelona

Discussion in 'Autonomous Vehicles' started by Bladerskb, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. Bladerskb

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    Thanks for the notice. Great excuse for me to stay up late tonight :)
     
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    #4 Tam, Jul 11, 2017
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    Very distracted.

    I am experiencing lots of internet traffic jam as the screen freezes up with an animated circular ring.

    I keep refreshing the page and it comes back with lower resolution for a while then freezes up again.

    I remember Tesla did have internet traffic jam in the early days but I don't remember that was the case for Model 3 unveiling.

    Audi should re-route the live feed to experts like Youtube or some established specialists.
     
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    Forgive me if I'm missing something here... but, I'm not sure I quite see the real breakthrough with the level-3 autonomy thing here.

    The car has LiDAR, plus one forward facing camera and radars... probably everywhere. Thus, it can make itself start and stop within a traffic jam, up to a maximum speed of 37mph. So, is the breakthrough here is that the manufacturer says you don't need to actually look at the car in front if you don't want to... but it won't work until 2019, and initially only in Germany?

    Presumably only in motorway traffic jams too... up to 37 mph means you could enable it on city roads, streets, local suburban roads etc... so they must lock it to certain places. I'm not sure how useful it'll be to have this, eventually, in 2019.


    Aside from that, the car sounds great - and the active suspension and all the other tech is outstanding. Personally, I'm not sure about its aesthetic, a bit business like for me perhaps.

    (from Top Gear's news site):

    And right off the bat, let us get to the not-so-small matter of frickin’ LASERS. Audi is debuting its AI traffic jam pilot for its S-Class rival, which allows the A8 to drive, on its own, in slow-moving traffic at up to 37.3mph. Accelerating, braking, steering… the lot. A front camera, radar sensors and those pesky lasers allow the car to scan its surroundings.

    A Tesla (or Volvo XC90, BMW 5-Series etc…) can pretty much drive itself in traffic, but you have to monitor it. In the Audi you just press a button, and where applicable, the new A8 will allow you to indulge in whatever it is you do in a car when not actually driving. Sweating nervously and eyeballing the car in front, no doubt. This is the difference between level two and level three autonomy, fact fans. Pity you can’t get it right away, though. Audi says law-permitting, the system will be available in Germany in 2019.
     
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    #7 Spidy, Jul 11, 2017
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    City speed limit in Germany is 50km/h so autonomous driving up to 60km/h would be amazing for commuting.

    Edit: Ok it says highway driving, that of course limits it somewhat.
     
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    It doesn't sound like it can handle traffic lights, pedestrians cyclists, or anything else commonly found on city streets. Really its only good on a highway, in a traffic jam. So... basically its not as good as AP is now and its not coming out for two more years.
     
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    2019.... Germany only... 37mph limit... Tesla are screwed.
     
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    Yeah, I realized that. But there are many cities that have highway leading into them with a lot of traffic so that should still be useful for that.

    Where does everyone get the not coming out for 2 more years? I thought I would be available this fall? Is that not going to be available at the beginning?

    Also it works above 60km/h, but then you need to have your hands on the steering wheel just like with Autopilot. So until we have a road test not sure you can say one is better or worse.
     
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    I see no where Audi states it will activate it only in 2019.
    I see only the change of calling the 2018 Audi, 2019 Audi. Other than that nothing has changed.

    This completely destroys AP because you don't have to pay attention and baby sit it every 2 seconds. This is a real system not a gimmick.

    Again i don't see anywhere it says it will be activated in 2019. Audi are trying to get this through regulator asap.
    They are the only company whose tech is actually challenged by regulation.
     
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    No you don't, you can look back, read a book, watch a movie, play games, prepare an essay, etc.
     
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    Interior or exterior?
     
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    Exterior...

    ...the interior looks amazing. To be fair, most luxury sedans in that kind of price bracket - except Tesla - have really nice interiors. I know most of the cost of a P100D Tesla is the battery pack and drive train, but it's hard not to look at, say, the E300 with its massage chairs, HUD and passenger TVs and wonder if they couldn't have upped the luxury levels just a little bit for that £140k price tag!
     
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    yeah it does actually look and the controls feel like "a spaceship."
    the main screens are flush into the dashboard tacked in and there are no chrome borders. plus there's tactile feedback on the screen so you hear and feel each click like you're pushing an actual button.

    The exterior however does feel business like, like a rich guy exterior but not a rich cool guy exerior



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    Watch a Harry Potter DVD !

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    Loving the interior and other active features of this Audi, but am not a fan of the exterior, I much prefer the looks of the e-tron!

    As far as the Level 3 autonomy all I am reading and seeing is based on Traffic-Jam Pilot and up to 37mph....AP1 for sure but possibly AP2 can already do this. I can completely check out with AP1 in traffic up to 45mph, I don't even get he nag when its 40mph or below and can go from a complete stop to start again, so not sure this is a leap forward.

    I noticed a trend in the auto industry where the classic automakers like to ignore the existence of Tesla altogether and not even acknowledge they exist and are already doing the things they have "coming soon"

    Mercedes (DrivePilot) - Touting to be the first car with autonomous capabilities like "auto steering". When Tesla was already out doing AP1.
    Dodge (Demon) - Fastest production car 0-60 2.3secs....P100D is already out!
    Audi A8 (Traffic-Jam Pilot) - First car with L3 driving under 37mph...
     
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    AP1 and AP2 are not L3. While they work great in a highway, they aren't L3. This is cool but I also think AP2 will blow it out of the water in 6 months. L3 on a highway is easy. Tesla should deliver it ASAP as a full speed L3 to take the wind out of Audi's speed limited system. They just need to integrate the additional cameras and it will be L3 (set and forget and it will auto lane change -- i.e. EAP).
     
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    I think Audi has Cadillac on their minds. The CT6 has the power reclining massage AC seating with HDTV, all wheel steering and drive, magnetic suspension, excellent night vision, and in a few months, the ability to travel hands free on freeways including interchanges at all legal speeds.
     

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