First look v.9!

[aaron0k]

Half-baked UX in the Model 3 is one of the primary reasons why I sold my Model 3.

If they remove the ability to have the Cam at top at all times on the S/X (or require you to 'turn it on' every time)... I'm going to poop in a sock and fling it at double rainbow.

 

[FlatSix911]

Another update from Electrek... Tesla now aims to release version 9 software update ‘toward end of the month, says Elon Musk

 

[diplomat33]

There are some parts of the software that are specific to the AP2 hardware and some parts that are common across all hardware configurations. So if Tesla actually fixes the multitude of bugs in the media player someday it's not unreasonable to expect those to be rolled out to the entire fleet. Chill mode and speed limits, two recent features, work for all AP cars (as far as I know). I would not, on the other hand, expect EAP/FSD features to roll out to AP1 cars.

Certainly I don't expect much further development on the Autopilot functionality itself for my AP1 car, at least for those parts that are dependent on the hardware platform. But it wouldn't be acceptable to break working functionality on currently-deployed cars. One strategy might be to keep older hardware platforms on older software release trains, although that incurs other support headaches, and Tesla's deployment strategy has in general been to try to keep all cars running the software software versions.

So far this thread hasn't touched on how Tesla handles the pre-Autopilot cars. Note that they're still getting software updates several years after manufacture. Obviously they don't reap the benefits of Autopilot improvements, but the newer software (aside from bugs) generally doesn't introduce any obvious regressions in behavior compared to the old. That is a realistic expectation.

Bruce.

PS. As I read back over this I'm not sure what your definition of "support" is. To me it means "make sure it works". Not sure if you mean that or "port all the new features and functionality to it".

To clarify: I am talking about the new EAP functionality like the "drive to nav". That is not something I would expect to be ported backwards to AP1.

Non-AP stuff like big fixes to the media player should be done for AP1 cars, of course. And yes, I think Tesla should continue to support AP1 in that regards, by making sure their existing systems work as intended. I just don't think Tesla should try to bring new AP2 features backwards to AP1 cars.

 

[Doctt]

Got my screen replaced today

Asked the tech why this problem pop up around the same time in so many cars

He told me it is heat related. The heat wave this summer broke many records. The LCD screen is simply not ready for this kind of temperature consistently

Took an hour to swap the screen. Super clean job. No issue

MCU1 only for my MCU1

With the new screen, the MCU is a lot more responsive, but of course not at MCU2 level

Overall, I am very happy with their work

 

[SeminoleFSU]

There are some parts of the software that are specific to the AP2 hardware and some parts that are common across all hardware configurations. So if Tesla actually fixes the multitude of bugs in the media player someday it's not unreasonable to expect those to be rolled out to the entire fleet. Chill mode and speed limits, two recent features, work for all AP cars (as far as I know). I would not, on the other hand, expect EAP/FSD features to roll out to AP1 cars.

Certainly I don't expect much further development on the Autopilot functionality itself for my AP1 car, at least for those parts that are dependent on the hardware platform. But it wouldn't be acceptable to break working functionality on currently-deployed cars. One strategy might be to keep older hardware platforms on older software release trains, although that incurs other support headaches, and Tesla's deployment strategy has in general been to try to keep all cars running the software software versions.

So far this thread hasn't touched on how Tesla handles the pre-Autopilot cars. Note that they're still getting software updates several years after manufacture. Obviously they don't reap the benefits of Autopilot improvements, but the newer software (aside from bugs) generally doesn't introduce any obvious regressions in behavior compared to the old. That is a realistic expectation.

Bruce.

PS. As I read back over this I'm not sure what your definition of "support" is. To me it means "make sure it works". Not sure if you mean that or "port all the new features and functionality to it".

I hear what you're saying but the newer firmwares has definitely introduced regressions for non-AP cars. One example that annoys me every day that was introduced when they did the last major UI overhaul was the removal of the media source selection from the right hand steering wheel menu button and scroll wheel controls. Now for me to switch from say bluetooth back to FM or vice-versa, I have to:
1) tap the screen to get the top nav
2) hit the media in the top nav
3) fumble around (while driving) to find the source button I'm looking for) and tap it (accurately with road vibration, car moving, etc)
4) re-tap the navigation icon in the top nav to put everything back like it was (note I don't run media on the big screen, only on the right hand IC screen)... so any changes to media require this gold star usability workflow anytime I switch sources, which is a lot.

 

[MorrisonHiker]

I hear what you're saying but the newer firmwares has definitely introduced regressions for non-AP cars. One example that annoys me every day that was introduced when they did the last major UI overhaul was the removal of the media source selection from the right hand steering wheel menu button and scroll wheel controls. Now for me to switch from say bluetooth back to FM or vice-versa, I have to:
1) tap the screen to get the top nav
2) hit the media in the top nav
3) fumble around (while driving) to find the source button I'm looking for) and tap it (accurately with road vibration, car moving, etc)
4) re-tap the navigation icon in the top nav to put everything back like it was (note I don't run media on the big screen, only on the right hand IC screen)... so any changes to media require this gold star usability workflow anytime I switch sources, which is a lot.

I think you can still just hold down the button on the left side of the steering wheel and it will change between media inputs. It just cycles through them but might be easier to push it a few times instead of using the steps you mention.

 

[dennis_d]

Another update from Electrek... Tesla now aims to release version 9 software update ‘toward end of the month, says Elon Musk

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Given previous timelines, we should expect it by Christmas. To be honest I expect the first iteration of FSD features, like the "drive-by-nav" which was in firmware for last 6 months at least, will be there as a vaporware so they can recognize FSD purchases as revenue at the end of Q3.

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

I think you can still just hold down the button on the left side of the steering wheel and it will change between media inputs. It just cycles through them but might be easier to push it a few times instead of using the steps you mention.

Unfortunately it doesn't work quite like that. You can cycle through favorites. But you can't select phone or USB inputs. I typically cycle among FM, phone, and USB, so its basically useless for me.

 

[MorrisonHiker]

Unfortunately it doesn't work quite like that. You can cycle through favorites. But you can't select phone or USB inputs. I typically cycle among FM, phone, and USB, so its basically useless for me.

Hmm. Mine used to change inputs that way but it's been a while since I've tried it.

 

[SeminoleFSU]

I think you can still just hold down the button on the left side of the steering wheel and it will change between media inputs. It just cycles through them but might be easier to push it a few times instead of using the steps you mention.

you can do the long press to cycle through the favorites you have set... and it will eventually roll over to a different source if you have favs set on a different source, but it doesn't work very well in my use case...just wanting to flip between FM radio and bluetooth. I basically leave it on bluetooth now for music and use tune-in radio app on my phone... but still isn't as nice as it was before.
Another piece of functionality we lost was the ability to use up and down on the steering wheel buttons to channel SCAN. If you didn't have any favs stored/configured (me) it would just do a channel scan up or down... which is nice if you're out of town and don't know the radio stations.. even in town, I would often find new stations I didn't know existed this way, just scanning the FM dial.

 

[THXULTRA]

Yeah I really hope there would still be a way to have the split screen. So far I’m not a fan of the UI changes

Plus one on split screen. I like to have my backup cam on all the time and map on the bottom or media player on the bottom. Hoping we can still keep the backup cam up.

 

[Theflash95]

Just out of curiosity... why do so many people love having their backup cam on all the time? I remember when I test drove the S it was shown to me with excitement by the delivery specialist and I was like “meh.” Don’t get me wrong I love it... but only when I’m backing up. I find it terribly distracting to have it on when I’m driving forward.

 

[Chancellor32]

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Just out of curiosity... why do so many people love having their backup cam on all the time? I remember when I test drove the S it was shown to me with excitement by the delivery specialist and I was like “meh.” Don’t get me wrong I love it... but only when I’m backing up. I find it terribly distracting to have it on when I’m driving forward.

so true! I only turn it on to show people when they get in the car for the fist time. Makes me sick if I drive with it on. lol

 

[boonedocks]

@Theflash95 100% with you. I have never left my backup camera on, other than backing up. More of a gimmick otherwise.

 

[steve841]

Just out of curiosity... why do so many people love having their backup cam on all the time? I remember when I test drove the S it was shown to me with excitement by the delivery specialist and I was like “meh.” Don’t get me wrong I love it... but only when I’m backing up. I find it terribly distracting to have it on when I’m driving forward.

Simple: safety. You can watch the moron behind you not paying attention while stopped at a light. You can grab quick glance at what's behind you as you change lanes ... far more positives than gimmicks ...

 

[MarcusMaximus]

Just out of curiosity... why do so many people love having their backup cam on all the time? I remember when I test drove the S it was shown to me with excitement by the delivery specialist and I was like “meh.” Don’t get me wrong I love it... but only when I’m backing up. I find it terribly distracting to have it on when I’m driving forward.

I've used it occasionally, when I have some large objects in the trunk otherwise blocking my rear view. It's basically just a rear view mirror in that case.

 

[Cheburashka]

Another update from Electrek... Tesla now aims to release version 9 software update ‘toward end of the month, says Elon Musk

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How much real time is 2 weeks in Elon time?

 

[pinball_player]

@steve841 wrote: "You can watch the moron behind you not paying attention while stopped at a light."

OK, you are stopped at a light, with someone in front of you and cars beside you. How does knowing that someone is going to rear end you help mitigate the situation?

 

[SeminoleFSU]

Simple: safety. You can watch the moron behind you not paying attention while stopped at a light. You can grab quick glance at what's behind you as you change lanes ... far more positives than gimmicks ...

I mainly use the backup cam for backing up... and I put it on the top and leave it up when sitting in my car parked (for security) to watch my 6. But just because I don't use it while driving doesn't mean I don't see the value in having the choice if I wanted to use it in that manner.. Remember in 2012 when the MS was just coming out and everyone made such a big deal about having the backup cam on the screen while you drive around? Ahh.. Good times.

 

[steve841]

@steve841 wrote: "You can watch the moron behind you not paying attention while stopped at a light."

OK, you are stopped at a light, with someone in front of you and cars beside you. How does knowing that someone is going to rear end you help mitigate the situation?

I always leave a car length ... that practice has saved a bump on more than one occassion. The kid texting at 40mph, well, that's another story.