Which is probably what I'd do. I honestly don't see the day coming where I do that, so it's moot.
unless your travels take you to “about 10 years ago” I can’t imagine this ever needing to be a thing again.
In nearly 6 years and 150,000 miles of Tesla driving all over the western US, I’ve never encountered an issue where a UMC on hand would have gotten me out of a tight spot.
I used to carry around an extra gallon of gasoline with me everywhere I went too. You know, just in case.
Different uses, different needs. Naturally, with gas stations all over the place, rarely need extra gas. But can't say having that extra gallon could never come in handy. With EV's. Options are far more limited. For most, you can plan ahead and use Superchargers. But, depending on where you go, will determine if you might need the mobile charger more often. Just because some don't need it, doesn't mean that it's not necessary in a pinch for others. To say it's a ridiculous hyperbole is limited to your personal opinion. Where I go and my use needs, it was necessary far more often. I know I'm not the only one who owned a Tesla that has found a need for the mobile charger. Plus, for me personally, when arriving at my location, I certainly have no desire to go out of my way to wherever the supercharger is located, then sit there twiddling my thumbs waiting for it to charge when I can simply take my mobile charger and plug it in at my destination. FAR, FAR, FAR more convenient, even if that's not a case where it's "necessary", sure as heck is appreciated in not wasting an extra hour of my time to drive to the charger, wait for the charge, then drive to my final destination. How you can think it's ridiculous that nobody would ever run short on range and not be close to a Tesla supercharger or public charging network is more ridiculous. Not recognizing the potential benefits and convenience is just being stubborn and ignorant to join those that defend Tesla in whatever they do, even when they're wrong. You probably were on board with them deciding to limit Performance owners to a certain number of "launches" with the cars they owned. Or removing features and charging for them again. One of the big reasons EV's still make up less than 5% of the cars on the road is simple convenience. Most people, 95%, don't want to spend the extra time it takes to charge, nor find a charger. Certainly, many are still concerned with range anxiety. Taking away that convenience does nothing to convince those staying away from EV's to make the switch.
This response is deluded.
I already have. After 9 years in multiple Tesla's, I've moved on to the other options available. More already have and more will follow. Fortunately for the consumer, there are actual viable options available, now with many more coming. I will miss Tesla's supercharging network the 1 or 2 times per year I used them. Fortunately, there are many public chargers popping up all over the world to serve the rest. I'm always open-minded. IF, some day Tesla offers something that works for me again, will be happy to consider a Tesla again. As of now, this 9 year customer has been driven away.
It's Tesla decisions like this that remind me that Tesla's head has grown just too big.
Sell $100,000+++ car and cheap out by not including a $200 portable charger. Now, they're cheaping out further by no longer selling the Model S & X with a $175 key fob. This, despite knowing that the majority want a key fob, noting how many complained about the phone and key card being the only options for the Model 3.
Sure the $375 combined for these items can easily be afforded by anyone purchasing an S or X, but come on Tesla, it's decisions like this that just piss people off for no reason. Charge $375 more for the car if you have to. $100,000 price tag and up, nobody is going to notice. But they're going to notice that they don't have a way to charge the car when they get it home and that they have to deal with the PITA phone as a key or key card instead of a simple passive key fob that never requires a second thought.
Fortunately, not an issue for me as many of their prior decisions finally forced me out of a Tesla after 9 consecutive years in multiple Tesla's. But, even if I was still in the market for one, this is just about principle more than it is anything else. Especially on a $100,000++ car. Pisses me off and I'm not going to be impacted by it. Again, just the principle of it. It further drives a stake between myself and ever owning a Tesla again. What's next, the battery going to be sold separately too?
As far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, but I believe that every other EV (besides Tesla's) on the planet sold, comes with a portable charger and a key fob. If not all, then certainly most.
I really do feel that Tesla is in for a rude awakening in the not too distant future. Others are catching up. With the economy slowing, buying habits are going to change (already are). That combined with now viable competitive alternatives available, Tesla's "because we can" attitude is going to have to change as customers will start saying "NO MORE".
For now, they still have more orders than what they can produce, so they don't give a crap. But, it will change. And not in the all that distant future.
Tesla Stops Selling Model S And X With Key Fobs
Tesla Stops Selling Model S And X With Key Fobs
Tesla is no longer including key fobs as standard on the Tesla Model S and X. The cost-cutting move came into effect on July 1.insideevs.com
This is, unsurprisingly, a mischaracterization of what I said - which was to respond to your claim that having a UMC with you in the car is “often necessary”. I stand by my statement that this is an absurd exaggeration.
OK, you win. Correction, "sometimes" necessary, "often" more convenient than going to find a charger and wait at the charger rather than just travelling straight to my destination and saving an hour. And that's for the cases when / if there is a supercharger reasonably close by. What's considered close? 10 miles on city streets? That's roughly 30 minutes of driving each way. Plus the charge time. That hour inconvenience becomes 1 1/2 hours. Considering that stopping to fill with gas for 5 minutes is considered an inconvenience, do you really think those people are going to consider an EV that now requires them to take 30 minutes, 60 minutes, 90 minutes to "fill up", are going to be willing to make the switch. For me, and probably millions of others, time is valuable. For me, spending an extra 90 minutes to go charge is not an option, thus in my case, the mobile charger is necessary, at least in the respect that without it, I wouldn't be purchasing any EV. There are many, many, many areas in the country where Tesla chargers are 100 miles apart. What's your option then? Technically, yes, you could get by without "needing" the mobile charger. I don't about you or others, but for me, when I travel, I generally stay in the area where I'm at for a few days, which includes driving around for those few days. With no supercharger for 50 miles, I certainly need another option to charge. When I'm travelling, I don't have my HPWC installed at the place I'm staying at. So, genuine question, what's your option with an EV? Thus yes, I consider the mobile charger to be a necessity. I could make it work without it, but would be inconvenient as heck and would certainly result in many people simply choosing not to go with an EV.
If you moved away from Tesla, sounds like you went to a traditional automaker that offers options for nearly everything. Included in that list of options could be the MC and the key fob. Those OEMs also include heated seats, better sound system, exterior cameras, heated steering wheel, more leather inside, different colors, different seats, etc, etc, etc. Point being, they become options. Like how they've become with Tesla. So what's the problem?
kizamybute was voted president of the closet fanboy club yesterday, he loves everything Tesla but is trying to convince others he hates everything about Tesla to Justify the Rivian they regret buying.With a handle like kizamybute (kiss my butt), you seem to have a lot of time writing lengthy arguments in a Tesla forum when you claim to own a Rivian and EQS. Are you here trying to justify your purchase? You keep saying “a lot” of people use UMC and Keyfobs many times. What is your source of information or is it opinion? If “a lot” means 2% of tesla owners and you put them all in a room, yes it’s a lot of people! We don’t know the data and only tesla does. They are a data company and knows better than any of us on what makes sense to them to improve their bottom line. I don’t care if you’ve owned 6 previous Tesla’s and that’s great. Contribute to the community or make the EQS and Rivian community better. Is there even a community with them?
I've never had an issue finding a hotel with on-site or nearby L2 charging (preferred) or using a local supercharger.
The last time I bothered looking, almost everything for a BMW, Mercedes or Audi was an option, often in packages that collided.It's Tesla decisions like this that remind me that Tesla's head has grown just too big.
Sell $100,000+++ car and cheap out by not including a $200 portable charger. Now, they're cheaping out further by no longer selling the Model S & X with a $175 key fob. This, despite knowing that the majority want a key fob, noting how many complained about the phone and key card being the only options for the Model 3.
Sure the $375 combined for these items can easily be afforded by anyone purchasing an S or X, but come on Tesla, it's decisions like this that just piss people off for no reason. Charge $375 more for the car if you have to. $100,000 price tag and up, nobody is going to notice. But they're going to notice that they don't have a way to charge the car when they get it home and that they have to deal with the PITA phone as a key or key card instead of a simple passive key fob that never requires a second thought.
Fortunately, not an issue for me as many of their prior decisions finally forced me out of a Tesla after 9 consecutive years in multiple Tesla's. But, even if I was still in the market for one, this is just about principle more than it is anything else. Especially on a $100,000++ car. Pisses me off and I'm not going to be impacted by it. Again, just the principle of it. It further drives a stake between myself and ever owning a Tesla again. What's next, the battery going to be sold separately too?
As far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, but I believe that every other EV (besides Tesla's) on the planet sold, comes with a portable charger and a key fob. If not all, then certainly most.
I really do feel that Tesla is in for a rude awakening in the not too distant future. Others are catching up. With the economy slowing, buying habits are going to change (already are). That combined with now viable competitive alternatives available, Tesla's "because we can" attitude is going to have to change as customers will start saying "NO MORE".
For now, they still have more orders than what they can produce, so they don't give a crap. But, it will change. And not in the all that distant future.
Tesla Stops Selling Model S And X With Key Fobs
Tesla Stops Selling Model S And X With Key Fobs
Tesla is no longer including key fobs as standard on the Tesla Model S and X. The cost-cutting move came into effect on July 1.
i use a CNICK key ring to lock/unlock my model 3 when i dont want my phone with me (e.g. when swimming). Waterproof and always on my hand .. beats a phone AND a key fob .
Not "manufacturing" a scenario. Yes, many times you can find a hotel that has charging available. But the fact is, today, most still don't. I don't want to choose my hotels solely because they have a charger.
