First time CPO experience- 2017 Model S P100D- need some advice :)

[Matty Bumpo]

Hello TMF,

My name is Matt and I am from Los Angeles. First time Post, but long time reader. Nice to e-meet you all. Back in 2016 I bought my first, but used 2014 Model S P85 (No AutoPilot), Blue (old color) with tan interior for $60k. I loved that car with a passion. I kept it for 4 years but when Covid hit and I was working primarily from home I didn’t need to drive, and I also saw the value declining. That was late March 2020. As soon as I sold it Private Party and saw the guy drive off in it, I instantly regretted it.

So almost a year later I’ve been abiding my time and something came up. Just wanted to get peoples opinion as it is a CPO car. The stats are 2017 Model S P100D w Ludicrous mode. The mileage was bit higher than normal, at 60k miles, but I figured I had almost no issues with my old P85 and that I don’t drive too much it would be fine. The price I got for it was $58k. I figured with it being a CPO it was a good buy as I saw a few out there for $68k for similar build specs, but of course lesser miles.

Here is the scary part, I have to put down $500 to reserve it site-unseen and upon delivery day I can choose to walk away, but I would lose the deposit.

My questions are:

• Do you think that 60k miles is too much for a 4 year old car?
• Has anyone gotten a CPO and on delivery day the scratches and dings were horrible and they had to walk away?
• Is the Black Premium Interior something unique?
• Does the Infotainment upgrade make a diff? If I have this does this mean I have FSD?
• It shows Auto Pilot, is this much different with FSD?
• Would you buy the extended warranty? (CPO comes with 1 year warranty)
• Pay Per Use Super charging- I’ve saw online some people were upgraded to free supercharging as a perk , is this possible?

Sorry for such a long 1st post . Hoping to be a good member to these forums. I’ve learned a lot from people’s input. Hope to share



Here are more details:

• 100D Ludicrous Performance All-Wheel Drive
• Model S Long Range
• Midnight Silver Metallic Paint
• Sunroof
• Ultra High Fidelity Sound
• 21" Grey Turbine Wheels
• Black Premium Interior
• Figured Ash Wood Décor
• Dark Headliner
• Ludicrous Mode
• No Carbon Fiber Spoiler
• Red Brake Calipers
• Pay Per Use Supercharging
• GPS Home Link
• Smart Air Suspension
• Subzero
• Base Autopilot Firmware
• Autopilot
• Premium Upgrades Package
• Infotainment upgrade
• Hepa Air Filter
• Red brake calipers

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[Matty Bumpo]

I'd also be greatly appreciative of anyone else's CPO delivery experience. thank you.

 

[GWord]

Is it local to you? I would presume the $500 covers the cost of transport and keeps Tesla less in the red if owners walk away. If it's local, maybe you can just go see it without having to pony up?

I've had a couple of their loaners in the 60k mi range. I would consider the condition as expected for that milage. No major flaws.

Assuming they kept the naming convention, I believe that 2017 only had Cruise Control? -> Enhanced Autopilot -> FSD. You might consider looking at a bunch of 2017 listings and see if any of them have something different than "Autopilot" listed.

 

[Matty Bumpo]

Is it local to you? I would presume the $500 covers the cost of transport and keeps Tesla less in the red if owners walk away. If it's local, maybe you can just go see it without having to pony up?

I've had a couple of their loaners in the 60k mi range. I would consider the condition as expected for that milage. No major flaws.

Assuming they kept the naming convention, I believe that 2017 only had Cruise Control? -> Enhanced Autopilot -> FSD. You might consider looking at a bunch of 2017 listings and see if any of them have something different than "Autopilot" listed.

Thank you Gword for your response. Tesla advised that I could not see it in person until delivery day. I get it...its a smart way to see who is "committed". Just hoping that the condition is solid. The location of the car is in Buena Park which is only 40 mins away. I recently read online that 2017's might have AP3? that would be great if so.

 

[SoCal Buzz]

This 2017 would typically have MCU1 and AP2.0 hardware. The infotainment upgrade implies they have installed MCU2, which you really want to avoid problems and recall/fix on MCU1, where they just replace memory chip. Assuming it does have MCU2, that was a $2500 upgrade, before credit from the recall. Anyway, I would confirm that because it will greatly improve speed of the main screen and give you Sentry Mode.

FSD requires AP3 hardware, and is not included with Infotainment upgrade. You would likely get standard AP with speed control, steering within lane and emergency braking, etc. which IMO are the only things that truly work today. You can always pay for FSD later, and they will install AP3 hardware.

 

[Matty Bumpo]

This 2017 would typically have MCU1 and AP2.0 hardware. The infotainment upgrade implies they have installed MCU2, which you really want to avoid problems and recall/fix on MCU1, where they just replace memory chip. Assuming it does have MCU2, that was a $2500 upgrade, before credit from the recall. Anyway, I would confirm that because it will greatly improve speed of the main screen and give you Sentry Mode.

FSD requires AP3 hardware, and is not included with Infotainment upgrade. You would likely get standard AP with speed control, steering within lane and emergency braking, etc. which IMO are the only things that truly work today. You can always pay for FSD later, and they will install AP3 hardware.

Thank you so much for clearing this up for me. It will already be difficult to trust any type of Autopilot as ive never done it. Not sure my control freak will be ok to let go...lol. But willing to give it a try.

 

[Ostrichsak]

Important distinction to avoid confusion: Tesla ended the CPO program nearly 2 years ago. What you're talking about is a used car and not a CPO which would normally denote a certain level of cosmetic inspection and refurbishment. What you're getting is a used car with a factory warranty against mechanical defects that likely hasn't even had the 70-point inspection done that they claim.

It's important that you know you're buying a used car and inspect it thoroughly as any cosmetic issues are yours once you sign the paperwork. If you want them to fix anything, ask before you sign paperwork and force them to put it in writing. That last part is SUPER important especially when dealing with Tesla. Do NOT trust them at their word with promises.

 

[DBO.]

I'm sure you'll hear the usual horror stories about buying used from Tesla, but since you asked for people's experiences, here's mine.

I just purchased a used 2016.5 AP2 model S 90D on 12/31/20 from Tesla. Yes, it was unnerving to put any money down, even the order fee, without seeing the car, but everything turned out amazing. Here's my experience:

- My delivery specialist was very responsive to calls, texts, and emails and answered all of my questions usually within a couple of hours even over the holidays. Also gave me written confirmation that if the car was in bad shape/not as advertised I'd get my order fee back.

- The delivery of the car was earlier than I was initially told.

- When I got to the delivery center I showed up with a cashiers check and asked if I could look at the car. They let me thoroughly inspect the interior and exterior before asking me to sign/pay my final balance. Yes, I would have liked a drive too, but with the included Tesla warranty I could take it right back to the center and have any major issues sorted. It performs marvelously though so that hasn't been an issue.

- Yes, there were a few small scratches, but nothing that I wouldn't expect on a used car and nothing that I wasn't able to polish out once I got it home. I found that a mirror cap had been damaged in transit which they fixed two days later in my driveway on a due bill.

Since delivery it has been fantastic. Got my FSD computer upgraded a couple of weeks ago and I'm scheduled to get MCU2 at the end of this month. I've yet to run into any of the dreaded customer service issues.

As to your other questions here are my thoughts:

AP is not FSD (FSD isn't really FSD yet either but that's a different story). Basically you won't get Navigate on autopilot, traffic signal awareness, smart summon and all of those things. AP is a very good adaptive cruise control system though fwiw.

Yes, the infotainment upgrade is worth it and you should budget that $1,500 in when making your decision. My MCU1 is actually a good one still, but nothing compared to my friends car with MCU2 which is why I'm upgrading.

No, you can't get free supercharging anymore. At least through Tesla. You still can if you buy private party. However, many people have said that the cost savings really aren't that much unless you are a true road warrior and most of your charging is supercharging.

Yes, there will be some scratches. See my info above. If you want a cosmetically perfect car, don't buy used. What is acceptable is your own call.

Hope this helps and enjoy your next Tesla which ever one it may be!

 

[Brady M]

I'll make this quick. Bought a 2017 75D with 30K miles in January. Car is in excellent shape, interior was really clean (was a big concern for me) and the exterior has less scratches/rock chips than my 2019 Model 3. Great experience with the delivery team too.

 

[kwellmey]

Depends on your level of OCD. I would never buy a car sight-unseen. Already learned my lesson the hard way.

I searched for over 6 months before I found a used 2017 Model S 100D with 22k miles (trade-in) at a reputable Audi dealership. Perfect condition, with PPF, window tint, and ceramic coating. No scratches, nicks, door dings, curb rash or seat wear what-so-ever. Even has a set of new staggered 21' Michelin tires. I paid $58k. I only listen to AM radio, therefore, I am not looking to upgrade from MCU1 to MCU2 . . . but my car does need the 8GB to 64GB eMMC chip upgrade.

 

[whitex]

Yes, I would have liked a drive too, but with the included Tesla warranty I could take it right back to the center and have any major issues sorted.

I don't think you can just "take it right back to the service center and have any major issues sorted". You can make an appointment for whenever the next slot is free, then they keep the car until it's fixed (may have to wait in line for service and/or wait for parts) while you get $100 Uber credit. Also, you might have to wait until the car shows up in your account before making the appointment, as some service centers insist that all appointments must be made on the app.

 

[Matty Bumpo]

Important distinction to avoid confusion: Tesla ended the CPO program nearly 2 years ago. What you're talking about is a used car and not a CPO which would normally denote a certain level of cosmetic inspection and refurbishment. What you're getting is a used car with a factory warranty against mechanical defects that likely hasn't even had the 70-point inspection done that they claim.

It's important that you know you're buying a used car and inspect it thoroughly as any cosmetic issues are yours once you sign the paperwork. If you want them to fix anything, ask before you sign paperwork and force them to put it in writing. That last part is SUPER important especially when dealing with Tesla. Do NOT trust them at their word with promises.

Thank you so much. This is real. They are offering 1 year or 10k. Im on the fence about getting the Extended warranty. But i will definitely be doing my own inspection.

 

[gaswalla]

I'd get this one for $64k.
P100D, FSD included, MCU2 can be done for $1500
only 30k miles,
Warranty for another 35k miles
Pretty sure in a few weeks, you'll want that FSD

New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla

Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.

www.tesla.com

 

[Matty Bumpo]

I'm sure you'll hear the usual horror stories about buying used from Tesla, but since you asked for people's experiences, here's mine.

I just purchased a used 2016.5 AP2 model S 90D on 12/31/20 from Tesla. Yes, it was unnerving to put any money down, even the order fee, without seeing the car, but everything turned out amazing. Here's my experience:

- My delivery specialist was very responsive to calls, texts, and emails and answered all of my questions usually within a couple of hours even over the holidays. Also gave me written confirmation that if the car was in bad shape/not as advertised I'd get my order fee back.

- The delivery of the car was earlier than I was initially told.

- When I got to the delivery center I showed up with a cashiers check and asked if I could look at the car. They let me thoroughly inspect the interior and exterior before asking me to sign/pay my final balance. Yes, I would have liked a drive too, but with the included Tesla warranty I could take it right back to the center and have any major issues sorted. It performs marvelously though so that hasn't been an issue.

- Yes, there were a few small scratches, but nothing that I wouldn't expect on a used car and nothing that I wasn't able to polish out once I got it home. I found that a mirror cap had been damaged in transit which they fixed two days later in my driveway on a due bill.

Since delivery it has been fantastic. Got my FSD computer upgraded a couple of weeks ago and I'm scheduled to get MCU2 at the end of this month. I've yet to run into any of the dreaded customer service issues.

As to your other questions here are my thoughts:

AP is not FSD (FSD isn't really FSD yet either but that's a different story). Basically you won't get Navigate on autopilot, traffic signal awareness, smart summon and all of those things. AP is a very good adaptive cruise control system though fwiw.

Yes, the infotainment upgrade is worth it and you should budget that $1,500 in when making your decision. My MCU1 is actually a good one still, but nothing compared to my friends car with MCU2 which is why I'm upgrading.

No, you can't get free supercharging anymore. At least through Tesla. You still can if you buy private party. However, many people have said that the cost savings really aren't that much unless you are a true road warrior and most of your charging is supercharging.

Yes, there will be some scratches. See my info above. If you want a cosmetically perfect car, don't buy used. What is acceptable is your own call.

Hope this helps and enjoy your next Tesla which ever one it may be!

Thank you so much for your input and time to write this. It is helping me learn everyday. I am a little curious on how you can buy supercharging from private party. IN regards to scratches..hoping they arent too bad, and if they are Ill try and get them buffed out.

 

[Matty Bumpo]

Depends on your level of OCD. I would never buy a car sight-unseen. Already learned my lesson the hard way.

I searched for over 6 months before I found a used 2017 Model S 100D with 22k miles (trade-in) at a reputable Audi dealership. Perfect condition, with PPF, window tint, and ceramic coating. No scratches, nicks, door dings, curb rash or seat wear what-so-ever. Even has a set of new staggered 21' Michelin tires. I paid $58k. I only listen to AM radio, therefore, I am not looking to upgrade from MCU1 to MCU2 . . . but my car does need the 8GB to 64GB eMMC chip upgrade.

Thank you for this...can you advise when this happens " but my car does need the 8GB to 64GB eMMC chip upgrade."? does that 8>64 g happen when you get the infotainment upgrade?

 

[Matty Bumpo]

I'd get this one for $64k.
P100D, FSD included, MCU2 can be done for $1500
only 30k miles,
Warranty for another 35k miles
Pretty sure in a few weeks, you'll want that FSD

New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla

Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.

www.tesla.com

Oh man...everytime i see red in person i always love it. It also looks like it has the FSD on it which is one step ahead of my gray build. Can you upgrade to FSD from regular Autopilot?

 

[jpk195]

I'd also be greatly appreciative of anyone else's CPO delivery experience. thank you.

I just took delivery of a 2016.5 90d from Tesla. Long story short, the car is great and in great shape but the delivery experience was ... stressful. There’s a write-up in the Model S deliveries channel if you are interested (and happy to answer any questions you have).

 

[gaswalla]

Oh man...everytime i see red in person i always love it. It also looks like it has the FSD on it which is one step ahead of my gray build. Can you upgrade to FSD from regular Autopilot?

You can add FSD to AP - it's only $10k

 

[byeLT4]

Personal experience here, bought a 2017 P100D from Tesla just last year.

If it is 40 miles away I would try and check it out. Mine shipped from Cali to here in Texas and although I already had the deposit down I went and 'visited' my car three times once it was delivered and before it was ready to be picked up, and mine was @120 miles away.... I know, I have a problem.. There is a good chance the car is sitting outside depending on the facility, and here in Austin it was right in the parking lot. I checked the VIN and was able to do a once/twice/thrice over haha!

As far as experience... Delivery took longer than I thought but that shouldn't be an issue for you. Mine came with FSD so the wait became even longer as they upgraded it to HW3. The car was in really good condition for almost 50k miles and had just one tiny door ding that even to this days mostly stays hidden unless you are just at the right (wrong?) angle.

I would say the biggest worry would be about warranty. I have had my taillights, headlights and trunk cinch actuator replaced in less than a year. Warranty covered everything and to be fair the lights were cosmetic- moisture in the taillight lens and DRL going out on the headlights. But I sure am glad I caught the 4 year 50k mile deal still.

Best of luck to ya!

 

[aerodyne]

Thank you so much for your input and time to write this. It is helping me learn everyday. I am a little curious on how you can buy supercharging from private party. IN regards to scratches..hoping they arent too bad, and if they are Ill try and get them buffed out.

If you buy a car that came with FUSC, it stays with the car as long as it was not bought third party, from a dealer, or from Tesla of course.

A used Tesla that drives well, with good rated range on the display, that has some perks no longer available like sunroof and FUSC, might be a keeper. Take the savings from not buying Tesla used and invest in a third party warranty if it make you feel better.