Damn the Rivians look like they are amazing vehicles with some really cool little quirks and features... Very well built too.... But I just can't get pas the look... The SUV looks like a boxy 1980's range rover to me and i am not in to that look at all. And that front end good god that is ugly..... But I love the interior look and all of the nice appointments... Hopefully in the future they can have some different styling... I certainly would not be opposed to diversifying my EV fleet (and by fleet I mean 2 cars lol)
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Firsthand comparison from an owner of both, between the Rivian SUV and Tesla Model X. The only EV 7-seater SUV's available.
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I can't say I disagree with you on the front end. However, will ask, have you seen one in person. Myself, admittedly, I hated the front end of the truck in photos / videos. The rest was just OK. However, once I saw it in person, it looks SO MUCH better in real life than it does in photos / videos. So, if you haven't seen one in person close up, would reserve judgment until you do. You might still hate it, but at least then you will have a full picture of it. For whatever reason, it is just one of those vehicles that doesn't show well in photos. Just about everyone that sees it tells me the same thing, looks so much better in person.
I saw the pickup truck from a distance and it was the side profile and the back.. I actually don't mind the look of the truck (with the exception of the front)... But yeah maybe you're right, seeing it in person up close might change my view on it.
IronCoffee_Max
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Edmunds completed their own detailed review and posted today.
They used the Plaid to compare top vs top version. I think the standard X is more realistically comparable, but is still $30,000 more than the Rivian. The Plaid is $58,000 more than the Rivian.
They used the Plaid to compare top vs top version. I think the standard X is more realistically comparable, but is still $30,000 more than the Rivian. The Plaid is $58,000 more than the Rivian.
johnking
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I am selling my Model X as the family loves the R1S. R1S ride comfort is way better than the Model X. Long trips are more enjoyable compared to the Model . Tesla scores on the autopilot tech. That was the main reason why bought a Tesla. The Rivian ADAS is better than most legacy automakers that I have tested so far like Mercedes, Volvo, BMW. Tesla scores here. With the after-pandemic life, I am not commuting on the freeway every day so the R1S' capabilities are good enough for me.
The only thing I will miss is the supercharging network on long drives. But that is a risk I am willing to take with the many different charger networks that are mushrooming everywhere and 99% of my charging is done at home anyway.
The only thing I will miss is the supercharging network on long drives. But that is a risk I am willing to take with the many different charger networks that are mushrooming everywhere and 99% of my charging is done at home anyway.
Are you comparing the current Model X to your R1S or the older one. Also, do you have a service center near you? That is my biggest concern, along with road tripping without the supercharging network.
I really like the R1S but the above 2 concerns, along with the price tag, are keeping me from ordering one.
johnking
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I am comparing it to my 2019 MX and doing an apple to apple comparison based on the alternating drives we have been doing as a family. I have a Rivian SC near me in Seattle and they are opening a couple more.
With the prices for Model X going skywards after the refresh and not a lot of comfort features being added apart from the seats heating+cooling, I was not going to upgrade to the New X.
I reserved my R1S in 2019 so, I was able to get it with a lower price tag. The R1S is still lower in price than the X and based on what I have experienced so far, has more value for money.
Things that I will miss once I sell my Tesla are 1. Supercharging network 2. A better autopilot 3. Automatic closing of all the doors 4. Falcon wing doors (kids).
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Rivian seats are not comfortable (lots of available feedback on that) but pricing is of course much less.
Lack of service and charging locations are a non-starter for me. I lived through birthing pains for Tesla and don’t want to repeat that again.
If I move off the Tesla platform for local needs I would consider the Lyric (which I have a deposit on for a 2024).
Lack of service and charging locations are a non-starter for me. I lived through birthing pains for Tesla and don’t want to repeat that again.
If I move off the Tesla platform for local needs I would consider the Lyric (which I have a deposit on for a 2024).
johnking
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For me personally, compared to my Model S and my Model X, the Rivian seats are such a blessing ! The sporty ride of the Model X (Raven adaptive suspension) and the smooth ride of the Rivian probably play into the seats, ride comfort as well.
The post-pandemic work situation has tilted me strongly in support of moving away from Tesla. If I was doing weekend drives more, supercharging would've played a pivotal role. But given that the Rivian charge port is compatible with a host of other networks, I am just gonna take the risk.
The Lyric is awesome based on the configurations and expected outcomes. I am pretty sure in the next two years, we will have more choices. Tesla will still have the upper hand as the early mover in the market but more options means better competition and consumers will benefit.
So many are concerned with losing Tesla's supercharging network if they give up their Tesla. And it's a given, Tesla's supercharging network is second to none. For a road trip, they're reliable in most cases and easy to use.
I guess the more relevant question is, how often do you really use it? If it's just once, twice or three times a year, is it really worth sacrificing all the other capabilities just to have a more reliable charging network a couple times a year?
For those that road trip on a very regular basis, the argument for a Tesla gets stronger. But, that also depends on where you're at and where you're going. For me, I'm in an area where EV's are common and public charging is plentiful. So in most cases, I plan my trips a little conservatively. I'll choose a charger well within my vehicle's range. Then, if that one happens to be non-functional, I know I can make it to the next one. For me, I only use public charging 2-3 times a year and mostly for just one stop. Anything longer than that, I'll generally fly to, rather than drive.
So in my case, the public charging network carried very little weight in my decision making process. I've now had the Rivian for 6+ months. I've taken a few road trips with it. A couple of minor issues here and there with public charging networks, but, have always found a way to charge without too much inconvenience. In those cases, it would have been nice to have the supercharging network. But, that was what, 2-3 days of use out of 365 days a year. They were MINOR inconveniences on a couple of occasions for 362 days of bliss. Thus, the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Furthermore, in my case, I can travel further in my Rivian than I ever could in the Tesla. A trip to Vegas, I can make without stopping. Never could in the Tesla, not even close. Also, despite what rated charging speeds are, on my same trip to Arizona, I spent 20 minutes less charging on average with the Rivian than I did with the Tesla. So, the couple of issues I had with a charger being out of service, have been further offset by the fact that, for me and repeated trips I personally take, I spend notably less time charging. Overall, For a trip of up to 500 miles, which is about the max I'm willing to do in ANY EV, I actually much prefer road-tripping the Rivian than the Tesla.
Auto-Pilot, Tesla wins hands down in highway use. However, I much prefer the system in the Cadillac, which is truly hands-free. I hardly ever used the Tesla AP because of the constant nagging. Even with my hands on the wheel, it would still tell me to put weight on the wheel or wiggle or whatever. More work than just driving myself. While Tesla's AP capabilities are superior to all others, the fact that they've chosen to keep this antiquated method of policing driver attentiveness is a big turn off for me.
In the past, my two must haves were, AP and Supercharging. Over time, after 9 years with various Tesla's, that changed. AP when it first came out was amazing. But, then all the YouTube idiots posted their stupidity and they've ruined the experience for me with all the nagging.
While not as good as Tesla's supercharging network, the public chargers are being built out for other EV's at a pretty rapid pace. In my areas, there are more than enough options. Others will need to check their own areas and map out their typical road trips to see how well the public chargers will serve their use cases. If you have enough pubic chargers along your common routes, including backup locations, then I personally prefer roadtripping in a Rivian. Furthermore, Rivian's range estimate is actually accurate and USEFUL. Tesla always says I have 365 miles in range, yet I'm lucky to get 250 at highway speeds. Completely useless range estimate. For whatever reason, they've chosen to not have range estimates vary based on each driver's real world use, as pretty much every other EV maker does.
As far as Service Centers. Out of your control. Rivian, like Tesla, offers mobile service for many things. Many people waiting for Rivian delivery are doing so because Rivian won't sell vehicles in areas they can't service yet. Many first day reservation holders are still waiting because there's no service center near the owner's location. Tesla has had 10+ years to build up. Rivian will get there. But, something to check. If there's a Rivian service center within 50 miles of your location, then you're all set and this isn't an issue. Tesla wins this category only because they've had more time to build up. But, if Rivian has a service center near you, then in those particular areas, Tesla has no benefit over the Rivian. Check the Rivian maps for Service Center locations and the Coming Soon locations. Tesla only wins this category if Rivian does not have a Service Center or one planned in a particular area where a buyer is located.
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johnking
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This is exactly my thoughts too. I knew getting the R1T I would have some pains around fast charging when on road trips. But I also know I only do 1-2 a year and the truck itself makes up for that in many other ways. Sure enough, when we drove to Arizona from San Diego a few months back, I ran into charging issues (speed, broken chargers, lines). it felt like being in a Tesla again back in 2015.
But aside from that, I'm loving it. My nearest service center is only 15 min away. Customer service has been great. And most importantly, the truck has been great. I came from a Model 3 Performance last (Owned Model S first, then several Model 3's) and when the lease was up, I had to decide what to get next. At the price I was able to get into on the Rivian R1T, it was just about the same price as a LR Model Y. I feel I got so much better value out of anything else compared to the price range.
That's not to say I won't get the Cybertruck if it ever comes out though...more for the durability of the exterior and as an added bonus, the supercharging network.
They aren’t making the 135kw battery. Fugazi. I did race a rivian r1s in a LR X refresh - it wasn’t even close by 60 and I pulled truck lengths by 100.
Not like it matters but he was probably in all purpose drive mode which didn’t have the full power. Only in sport mode it uses all the available power. Based on the 0-60, you wouldn’t have pulled on him if he was in sorry mode.
It's buslengths above 60, either way
This makes sense, Rivian's powertrain isn't really designed to support sustained high power at high speed, that's not really what an off-road -capable vehicle is for is it. Range Rover SVR's are terrible from a roll too. The refresh X/S are probably the best in the industry at minimizing all the weaknesses of an EV powertrain at high speeds, even better than the transmission-equipped VWAG cars
johnking
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How did the value of your 2019 Model X hold up?
I got a six seater 2022 LR Model X that I will trade in about 2 year time for a $76K pre-price hike R1S (EDD 2024) - hoping
the X will not depreciate that much (from $98K).
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Looks like birthing pains reminiscent to Tesla’s early years (but I did get mobile service and always expeditiously):
70 days to wait for service…yikes, good luck. It’s why my deposit was for a lyric.
70 days to wait for service…yikes, good luck. It’s why my deposit was for a lyric.
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