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Follow up to employee termination

Discussion in 'Tesla, Inc.' started by Aaron S., Dec 23, 2017.

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  1. S4WRXTTCS

    S4WRXTTCS Well-Known Member

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    Just more proof that we're living in the upside down where nothing makes sense.
     
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    But, of course we later learned that those firings weren't performance based on at all. It does sound good, but at the end up of the day it was bullocks. A way of masking the true intention of the firings.

    The firing is also inconsistent with Elon's main motto of taking chances. In fact I'd say that his ability to takes chances is what makes him a great human being.

    So why doesn't he have some allowance for a Sales person to make a mistake or two? Was there anything so massively wrong about the emails that dictated termination? Did he accidently send an email saying most Tesla customers were morons? Did he spread false information in his email?

    What did the OP really do wrong? Word choice? Really?

    Kinda funny to fire a Sales guy for word choice when Elon himself went with Autopilot to describe a Level 2 assist package.

    It also seems a bit odd to fire a Sales guy for some emails when you're being sued because Tesla can't even get it's factory workers to treat each other with respect. Should I even mention what Elon said about that one?
     
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    That's a ridiculous statement to make... Journalism is the flashlight that illuminates the dark and it's this kind of attitude that has allowed people like President Trump to push this grossly irresponsible "fake news" crap.

    Jeff
     
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    Tesla would have no employees at all if your theory was true.
     
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  5. S4WRXTTCS

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    So my new theory is they only allow employees to make mistakes that don't endanger the reality distortion field.
     
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    As you pointed out, it's Elon's motto for Elon to take chance with his money - where does it say he encourages others to do the same on his dime?
     
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    I think more than a few people will take issue with what constitutes as his money.

    In fact I think people give him money to take chances with. I know I certainly did when I bought my Tesla. It also wasn't just to him, but to Tesla for what it stood for.

    So I clearly regard this firing as a mistake from everything I know about it. Where the OP was just the fall guy for mistakes that Tesla as a whole made.

    Even before this entire thing went down there was confusion over the end of quarter "discounts" within this thread.
     
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    I think Elon risks everyone's money. That his nature and so far he's stayed mostly on the genius side of the genius / loony line. He has me concerned that he's drifting lately but hopefully not.
     
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    Tesla is a company with over 30k employees, and along with that comes organizational bureaucracy. Not everyone in the Tesla organization is going to act like Elon, so it does not surprise me that some layers of management went into what appears to be CYA mode once Electrek published its story on the 100D/P100D inventory model pricing.

    I think it is a shame that Tesla management decided to fire an employee who was dedicated to the mission and showing initiative to bring in business.

    Many years ago, I was swept up in a mass firing. My team was berated for a disaster that we didn't cause, and every last one of us was shown the door. In less than 3 weeks I had a new job and moved on. It looks like Aaron has done the same, and I commend him for his resilience.
     
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    I was going to argue in favor of the Japanese way of blaming the system, and not the individual. But, when I went to look for references I just kept running into this. So hopefully Tesla doesn't start doing this.

    Layoffs Taboo, Japan Workers Are Sent to the Boredom Room
     
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    But, we all know it's going to crash with the whole FSD debacle.

    He's already accepted that he has egg on his face.

    I do remain hopeful that it's going to be a soft landing.
     
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    Sorry to read about this saga, @Aaron S. All the best in your new gig!
     
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    As far as whether this is Tesla’s fault or not, you have to remember that companies make mistakes all the time. Hiring the wrong person and firing the wrong person probably happens on a weekly basis in a large company. It’s unfortunate, but no company is anywhere near perfect. Just move on when these things happen. Hopefully learn something along the way.
     
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    My experience has been that changes like this almost always turn out to be for the best. I sincerely hope it turns out that way for you.
     
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    I really hope they offer you your job back...even if you don't accept.
     
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    Probably a result of Tesla only reporting deliveries quarterly as opposed to most other manufactures reporting monthly. Would you say the pressure was more, less than, or about the same as three times the month end pressure from others?:D
     
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    He said, he said. The real truth is often obscure.

    We all have choices from whom to purchase a car. It is your call.
     
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    Part of the problem with the internet is that the line between blogging sites and actual journalists is far more hazy than it should be. If bloggers want to be journalists they need to consistently demonstrate the behaviors that professional journalists are supposed to.
     
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    A poster handing on the wall in one of my Client's offices:
    "Failure is an Option here. If things are not failing, you are not innovating enough"
    -- Elon Musk

    Another Client told me a story about a account manager who made a huge mistake. And the Manager went in to tender their resignation due to the costly mistake, figuring he deserved to be fired.
    The Client declined the resignation, and said: "Why would I fire you for making a $XXX,XXX mistake? I figured that is part of your education. I now have that much invested in you."

    It takes a BIG person or organization to exhibit forgiveness and empathy, regardless of the mistake (or an action viewed as a mistake).
     
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