For AWD owners wanting a P3D-

[jebinc]

report back if anything comes of it but id imagine if we signed the paperwork saying we agree then we agreed to that price

I don't expect anything, but I figured "what they hey..." Will yet you know what reply, if any, I may receive...

 

[ModelNforNerd]

FYI: The P3D- is back....sorta....

If you attempt to configure a P3D right now, you get this on the wheel selection page:




Not sure what that means for brakes or suspension, or if there are new 18s they're using that clear the Performance brakes. I'm just sharing what I found...........



But if this is true, the petition is going nowhere for a while. They pulled a demand lever with the 18" wheels.....you're not getting a software unlock just yet.

 

[Urbancowboy]

View attachment 430332 FYI: The P3D- is back....sorta....

If you attempt to configure a P3D right now, you get this on the wheel selection page:

Not sure what that means for brakes or suspension, or if there are new 18s they're using that clear the Performance brakes. I'm just sharing what I found...........

But if this is true, the petition is going nowhere for a while. They pulled a demand lever with the 18" wheels.....you're not getting a software unlock just yet.

Yeah we are all waiting to see what the "upon request" means, whether it's a P3D-, if there's a price adjustment for going that direction, etc.

I would disagree with your conclusion, however. If the P3D- is back on the menu for an extra $2k over the LR AWD, it would make a lot of sense for Tesla to sell the same software upgrade to existing AWD owners. Especially now, the idea of trading in a relatively new LR AWD is unpalatable. Tesla addressed the demand issue for new buyers, and now there's a clear path to extracting all that additional revenue from existing owners.

 

[ModelNforNerd]

Yeah we are all waiting to see what the "upon request" means, whether it's a P3D-, if there's a price adjustment for going that direction, etc.

I would disagree with your conclusion, however. If the P3D- is back on the menu for an extra $2k over the LR AWD, it would make a lot of sense for Tesla to sell the same software upgrade to existing AWD owners. Especially now, the idea of trading in a relatively new LR AWD is unpalatable. Tesla addressed the demand issue for new buyers, and now there's a clear path to extracting all that additional revenue from existing owners.

Well, again, it took over 6 months to merge the code base of P3D- into the P3D+ code, so that we all got Track Mode.

I wouldn't exactly hold my breath for a quick turnaround, even IF it's something they approve. Their history has nothing to suggest it will be done in a timely manner.

 

[Urbancowboy]

Well, again, it took over 6 months to merge the code base of P3D- into the P3D+ code, so that we all got Track Mode.

I wouldn't exactly hold my breath for a quick turnaround, even IF it's something they approve. Their history has nothing to suggest it will be done in a timely manner.

The "inside source" earlier in this thread said wait for Santa. That seems about right. Fingers crossed.

 

[Alex2]

I just called in to modify my order to an M3 performance with 18" aero wheels and they said it will take a few business days to see the details in my account. The guy on the phone knew no details. So I'll post details when I get them if nobody else has by then.

 

[jebinc]

The "inside source" earlier in this thread said wait for Santa. That seems about right. Fingers crossed.

They are crossed!

 

[Jeffers0n]

Just FYI, back when you could get a P3D-, it was $10K more than an AWD Model 3.

 

[Urbancowboy]

Just FYI, back when you could get a P3D-, it was $10K more than an AWD Model 3.

And as of yesterday a P3D+ is $7k more than an AWD. Moral of the story is it pays to wait with Tesla.

Except meanwhile Elon just tweeted earlier that FSD is going up by $1k in August.

 

[jebinc]

And as of yesterday a P3D+ is $7k more than an AWD. Moral of the story is it pays to wait with Tesla.

Except meanwhile Elon just tweeted earlier that FSD is going up by $1k in August.

I suspect that's to drive more $6000 FSD orders today...

 

[JamesBrown]

I just called in to modify my order to an M3 performance with 18" aero wheels and they said it will take a few business days to see the details in my account. The guy on the phone knew no details. So I'll post details when I get them if nobody else has by then.

Back when P3- was available, the 20" Wheel upgrade included larger calipers. So it would make sense that if you request a 18" aero wheel, it will come with the smaller non-performance calipers but you would keep the P3 track mode. It seems like P3- is back on the menu.

 

[Knightshade]

Just FYI, back when you could get a P3D-, it was $10K more than an AWD Model 3.

And then you got a $5000 refund if you gave up FUSC... so only 5k net compared to the otherwise physically identical AWD car.

(actually 4k, 5k, or 6k net difference- depending when exactly you ordered- as they kept changing the AWD price)

 

[Alex2]

I expect the smaller calipers but curious if they also change the suspension.

 

[EricUSC]

I think it's very possible that the 18 Inch Aero Wheels available upon request go over Brembo brakes. It seems that the early Tesla 18 and 19 inch wheels did not fit because the Brembo brakes needed to have a counterbored hole around the hub. It appears that @Goosby has documented in this thread that 19 Inch Sport Wheels from late 2018 have counterbored holes that match the 20 Inch Sport Wheels while the ones from early 2018 didn't.

Tesla states 19" OEM wheels NOT compatible with P3D+

A simple counterbore in the hole of the 18 Inch Aero Wheel should allow it to fit over the Brembo brakes if that is the limiting factor.

I also bet that the tires on the P3D with 18 inch wheels will be Michelin Pilot Sport 4. A Tesla spec Pilot Sport 4 in 235/45R18 started appearing on Tire Rack several months ago.

 

[Alex2]

I think it's very possible that the 18 Inch Aero Wheels available upon request go over Brembo brakes. It seems that the early Tesla 18 and 19 inch wheels did not fit because the Brembo brakes needed to have a counterbored hole around the hub. It appears that @Goosby has documented in this thread that 19 Inch Sport Wheels from late 2018 have counterbored holes that match the 20 Inch Sport Wheels while the ones from early 2018 didn't.

Tesla states 19" OEM wheels NOT compatible with P3D+

A simple counterbore in the hole of the 18 Inch Aero Wheel should allow it to fit over the Brembo brakes if that is the limiting factor.

I also bet that the tires on the P3D with 18 inch wheels will be Michelin Pilot Sport 4. A Tesla spec Pilot Sport 4 in 235/45R18 started appearing on Tire Rack several months ago.

Very interesting, I was just looking at that tire: HERE

 

[Urbancowboy]

I think it's very possible that the 18 Inch Aero Wheels available upon request go over Brembo brakes. It seems that the early Tesla 18 and 19 inch wheels did not fit because the Brembo brakes needed to have a counterbored hole around the hub. It appears that @Goosby has documented in this thread that 19 Inch Sport Wheels from late 2018 have counterbored holes that match the 20 Inch Sport Wheels while the ones from early 2018 didn't.

It's possible, but I'd be surprised if Tesla is introducing more manufacturing + supply chain + logistics complexity with these changes. A counterbore is simple in isolation but creates a cascading effect of things to manage.

 

[JamesBrown]

I expect the smaller calipers but curious if they also change the suspension.

I believe the P is 10mm lower than AWD.

 

[EricUSC]

It's possible, but I'd be surprised if Tesla is introducing more manufacturing + supply chain + logistics complexity with these changes. A counterbore is simple in isolation but creates a cascading effect of things to manage.

I don't think a counterbore adds complexity. It just becomes a new revision and it supersedes old revisions. Wheels with counterbored holes will fit all Model 3s.

 

[Urbancowboy]

Wheels with counterbored holes will fit all Model 3s.

Ah, didn't realize this. Makes sense.

 

[Jeffers0n]

I'll be super sad that I didn't wait if you can actually get 18" wheels with the Brembo brake calipers. The 20" wheels is what stopped me from getting the PUP package last year even though I wanted the brake calipers.