For AWD owners wanting a P3D-

[cypho]

As much as I am disappointed by the current offering, I am hopeful that they will add additional options to the new vehicle upgrades section. Perhaps:

Acceleration upgrade (1/2 P accel Bost) 2K
Track mode upgrade ( requires prior purchase of acceleration upgrade, includes both Track mode and + other 1/2 accel boost): 2K
20" wheel upgrade: 4K
Big break upgrade: 4K (requires 20" wheels)

For RWD owners, AWD upgrade: 7K.
And for SR+ owners, LR battery upgrade 7K.

Ordering a P+ is 2K cheaper than buying a P- and upgrading it to identical specs.
Ordering a P- is 2K cheaper than buying a AWD and upgrading it to identical specs.
Ordering a LR AWD is 2K cheaper than buying an LR RWD and upgrading it identical specs.
Ordering a LR RWD was 2K cheaper than buying an SR+ and upgrading it to identical specs.

Current owners of higher trim cars have little room to complain, they saved 2K over the person who purchased a lower trim and upgraded.

All of those 2Ks really add up of you want to go from SR -> P+, but for anyone wanting to move up 1-2 levels it is quite reasonable without being unfair to owners who started at the top.

 

[shadow21]

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As much as I am disappointed by the current offering, I am hopeful that they will add additional options to the new vehicle upgrades section. Perhaps:

Acceleration upgrade (1/2 P accel Bost) 2K
Track mode upgrade ( requires prior purchase of acceleration upgrade, includes both Track mode and + other 1/2 accel boost): 2K
20" wheel upgrade: 4K
Big break upgrade: 4K (requires 20" wheels)

For RWD owners, AWD upgrade: 7K.
And for SR+ owners, LR battery upgrade 7K.

Ordering a P+ is 2K cheaper than buying a P- and upgrading it to identical specs.
Ordering a P- is 2K cheaper than buying a AWD and upgrading it to identical specs.
Ordering a LR AWD is 2K cheaper than buying an LR RWD and upgrading it identical specs.
Ordering a LR RWD was 2K cheaper than buying an SR+ and upgrading it to identical specs.

Current owners of higher trim cars have little room to complain, they saved 2K over the person who purchased a lower trim and upgraded.

All of those 2Ks really add up of you want to go from SR -> P+, but for anyone wanting to move up 1-2 levels it is quite reasonable without being unfair to owners who started at the top.

Tesla already offers the 20" wheels on their store
Model 3 20" Sport Wheel and Tire Package

I don't think they're going to offer any hardware upgrades. Some of them aren't possible (RWD->AWD), and service centers are already overloaded with warranty work, they don't want to strain them even more.

 

[luckyy]

Can someone tweet Elon for inclusion of Track Mode in the upgrade?

This... it should be included for a $2k asking price, IMHO.

 

[EfficientWatts]

This... it should be included for a $2k asking price, IMHO.

I don't get why it has to be included. You're paying for an acceleration upgrade, not a P3D- unlock. It's up to every person to decide if the 2k is worth it or not.

I get and understand the 2k difference between the AWD and P3D- at times (if you can get it) which is why some people think the 2k amount makes sense. That's like buying an iPhone 128GB and then trying to just hand over the price difference and your phone to apple for the iPhone 256GB. They're not going to give it to you for just that exact difference.

Of course, this is software now, so there may be a point there. But I guess there has to be some value add to having the actual "performance model" other than just a few additional tenth of a seconds chopped off.

 

[phrider]

I'd be happier to pay $1k for the Track Mode without the Acceleration Upgrade. I might even pay $2k, but I'd whine about it.

For the Acceleration Mode without the Track Mode, I'm still thinking about it.

 

[Led Jetson]

No, you can't.

In fact the price is almost exactly the same if you order one now as what they cost last year, if you remember that last year buyers got a $7500 tax credit and a $5000 refund check from Tesla.

Exact math has been posted numerous times in this (and other) threads yet people keep getting this so very badly wrong.

I was not offered a $5k check, didn’t get one nor knew about that, and for the less informed, you have to pay $7,5000 in Federal Taxes that year, to receive the full $7,500. This practice is exactly why the government did the right thing by ending EV TAX credits, as they benefit the manufacturer, not the customer. Tesla took full advantage of it.

 

[Knightshade]

I was not offered a $5k check, didn’t get one nor knew about that, and for the less informed, you have to pay $7,5000 in Federal Taxes that year, to receive the full $7,500. This practice is exactly why the government did the right thing by ending EV TAX credits, as they benefit the manufacturer, not the customer. Tesla took full advantage of it.

Everyone who bought before the price change where they started including the performance upgrade package for free (ie before they killed the P3D- as orderable) was able to request a $5000 cash refund in exchange for free unlimited supercharging.

So you either got a $5000 check, or you kept FUSC (which new buyers don't get at all).

And yes you have to owe $7500 in taxes to get the credit-- which it'd be pretty unusual for someone NOT to owe if they're buying a "$75,000 car"


So the typical P buyer in this period would've spent $69,000 for a P3D+ or $64,000 for a P3D- (I'm leaving out color charges as these have changed about 900 times in the last 2 years).

Then they could've gotten $12,5000 back between the refund and the credits.

So $56,500 for a P3D+ net price, or $51,500 for a P3D- net price.

If you order a new P3D+ today you'll likely take delivery early next year and pay... $56,990.

Or $490 more than someone who bought last year.

and you won't be getting another $500 in hardware the guy last year got... (Homelink, 14-50 adapter, phone cables, frunk mat and hooks, etc).

The P3D- can't be ordered at all of course, but it's $50,900 if you can find one in inventory- a difference of only $600 the other way from 2018.


So no, people can't buy them today for almost $20,000 less than they could last year.

 

[Led Jetson]

No, you can't.

In fact the price is almost exactly the same if you order one now as what they cost last year, if you remember that last year buyers got a $7500 tax credit and a $5000 refund check from Tesla.

Exact math has been posted numerous times in this (and other) threads yet people keep getting this so very badly wrong.

Sorry dude, yeah I can.

 

[Knightshade]

Sorry dude, yeah I can.

I'm sorry you can't math...but no, you can't as I just showed you with actual numbers.

 

[dmurphy]

I'm sorry you can't math...but no, you can't as I just showed you with actual numbers.

Mathz R hard. Tweeting is easy.

(And we haven’t even gotten to the distinction between tax liability and underpayments ....)

 

[TwoK4drSi]

Yeah...people who bought the P3D+ got screwed hard but hey...you gotta play to play and being first with clout always costs more. I hope it was worth it to y’all. Same *sugar* when limited editions come out and you got to have one immediately. Expect the markup and don’t complain about the market.

 

[Burrito]

id like to know how you didnt have any taxes to pay after your 70k car purchase, genuinely curious, PM if you dont want to discuss here

 

[Knightshade]

id like to know how you didnt have any taxes to pay after your 70k car purchase, genuinely curious, PM if you dont want to discuss here

 

[Rachmaninov]

One point that hasn’t been mentioned is that a majority of Stealth buyers went through a lot of effort and or compromise to get their cars.

That effort included the decision to buy the cars that were available and not simply ordering the exact paint color, interior and options you wanted.

I’m very fortunate to have found and purchased a W/W Stealth with 19 wheels but I might have ordered a different combination if It was that easy.

 

[DrSmile]

id like to know how you didnt have any taxes to pay after your 70k car purchase, genuinely curious, PM if you dont want to discuss here

I can answer for people in New Jersey. Electric vehicles are exempt from sales tax. It's what actually got me to buy both my P3D+ and my P3D-. Well that and the tax credit.

 

[RangerMac]

I can answer for people in New Jersey. Electric vehicles are exempt from sales tax. It's what actually got me to buy both my P3D+ and my P3D-. Well that and the tax credit.

He is not referring to zero sales tax. He is referring to zero federal income tax which was being implied if he did not get the $7500 credit.

 

[firebird8302]

I ordered my P3D+ in July 2019. It cost $54,990 - $1,875 tax incentive = $53,115 net.

The ear to ear grins are priceless.

People need to stop whining about prices. Either pay to play or go home.

 

[TwoK4drSi]

I can answer for people in New Jersey. Electric vehicles are exempt from sales tax. It's what actually got me to buy both my P3D+ and my P3D-. Well that and the tax credit.

Do you have to live there or just buy it from there? This is new news to me

 

[Burrito]

not sure actually, when i purchased my car zero sales tax was in the bill, which was unexpected and awesome. my Purchasing address is NJ, so i dont know if telsa would populate tax based on where you buy it or the purchaser information

 

[dmurphy]

Do you have to live there or just buy it from there? This is new news to me

Live here. If you bought it here and then registered it in another state, you're going to owe the others state their sales tax ....