Thanks rings a bell, thanks.
They may have missed a couple of goals.Base price $49,900.
Deliveries begin 2011
5m battery swap
Yea I wish Elon wouldn't make promises until he knows he can deliver on or exceed them for 100% sure. One of my main gripes with him... The haters have a field day with his missed deadlines and predictions, and most of them are self imposed and unnecessary to even throw out in the public.They may have missed a couple of goals.
Sorry, man. That party is over! All has been re-homed.
For the most part, I agree and feel your frustration. And yet, if you'll indulge me to play the devil's advocate for a moment:
I think Elon's problems are way deeper than missed deadlines, unless you consider never delivering at all just a missed deadline. Then there is a under-delivering, sell people on, a good example of which is "(AP1) summon will find you anywhere on private property" and deliver late a "car will drive up to 40 feet in a straight line while you hold a dead-man switch to make sure the car doesn't hit anything". Not sure which category you will put "5m battery swap" - never delivered, under-delivered (only one station by invitation only and took 20+ minutes), or missed deadline (only 7 years late, it's coming soon)?
I suppose I should clarify because what you're describing is exactly how I think he works and I arrived at that conclusion by working for C level execs that use the same tactic. Set u realistic goals that everyone knows can't be met... But they try anyway. Result.. you don't meet the goals but you get it done much quicker than you would have had the goals been realistic.For the most part, I agree and feel your frustration. And yet, if you'll indulge me to play the devil's advocate for a moment:
Setting realistic goals are pretty easy. If you think it'll take four years to bring the car to market, then just say it'll take six, and presto! You are likely to easily meet your goal and everybody is thrilled.... except they aren't. They're too busy yawning to remember anything you said. This is why GM and Ford and many others are just so darn exciting. We'll bring something out at some time when WE think that you'll want it. And boy, we'll just NAIL those goals.
Now... if instead, you decide that you'll try for TWO years instead of the four, even if you miss the goal by 50% you're still way ahead of everybody else. In some ways, I see the end result as being a net benefit to set unrealistic goals and try really hard for them, than to set easy goals and yawn your way toward meeting them.
It's just how my opinion of Musk's goals for Tesla has shaped itself in my head over the years. Yes, he's missed goals like crazy. And yet, he's exceeded anybody else's "realistic goals" by a wide margin. Can we have one without the other? I'm not sure. Does it really matter what the "goals" are, if the result is good? I'm not sure.
Remember that 100% of the industry, and most of the general population thought that a realistic goal for Tesla by now would be utter and complete failure. And ooops! They've now produced three of the world's best cars just six years since the first S rolled off the line. So it may be a better plan to hold the rest of the world accountable for *their* failed and negative "goals" for the company.
thoughts now that we're wildly off-topic?
Maybe the difference is not Musk Hater or Tesla Fanboy, but instead people who gave Elon money based on promises he never fulfilled or completely under-delivered, vs. those watching from a sidelines. Elon accomplishes a lot, no argument there, so if you're watching from the side it's easy to miss the fact that sometimes he delivers not to people he actually sold it to, or the fact that a lot of times he doesn't the things he sold at all, but delivers other impressive things to other people. If you paid for a single family house, and never got it, would you be praising the company you gave money to for building a skyscraper on the moon instead? It's much more impressive than a single family home on earth right, so you'd be cheering, or not?
sorry I meant to say "unrealistic goals that can't be met" in the first sentence. Fat finger
This is what I was getting at but didn't want to go all the way there like you did because I'd have to put a flame suit on.. My avatar already makes me unpopular enough
Yea, there's missed deadlines and then there's just pure snake oil.
