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But, as numerous posters have pointed out, that's not how us S60 buyers who bought before the $2k price increase, view it. To us its a $2k discount on that feature.
Tesla would be smart to lower it to $4k or lower but it remains to be seen whether they agree.
Evtripplanner doesn't account for better taper supercharge time. On the three times I've Supercharged, I can fill up in 50 minutes. It overestimates charging times to be 1.5-2 hours if you are 10% battery upon reaching the SC. Unless your SC is <50kw avg, you will be fine to charge in 1 hour, usually less.
75 will see same charge times. You won't be able to skip a SC unless you spend a lot of time in taper at the last SC. Its a 1 time 40 mile boost (assuming you charge to 100% upon leaving house).
gabeincal
Active Member
I've seen a couple individuals upgrading on this forum. Seen a lot more not upgrading. I'd say it's 10% or less (that upgrade).
Isn't 90=>100 upgrade $3000? 60=>75 is really 62=>72, so maybe $3000 is reasonable for that?
The way Tesla can cash in is by dropping the price a little (e.g., $6000) and announcing that in a month they will drop the upgrade (or raise the price to >$10,000), so it would be a now or never deal. That will flush out all potential upgraders. I don't see anything in the original 60 offer that PROMISES a 75K upgrade, and certainly not for a monotonically decreasing price.
I (and I'll bet a lot of 60 owners) will continue to pass for anything more than $1-2K as long as we believe that the opportunity to upgrade will always be there and getting cheaper over time.
I (and I'll bet a lot of 60 owners) will continue to pass for anything more than $1-2K as long as we believe that the opportunity to upgrade will always be there and getting cheaper over time.
Pretty much this. The longer I've had the car, the less and less necessary the upgrade has seemed to me. I've done numerous road trips so far and have yet to see a single time where I could have skipped(or reduced the time at) even a single supercharger stop by getting the 75. Even if they dropped the price to $1k I'd probably have a hard time justifying the cost.
gabeincal
Active Member
And the other great benefit is the lack of degradation. Basically every month, the upgrade is getting less useful as the underlying battery (although very slowly) degrades the difference between the full 60 and the (as new) 75 capacity.
Considering Tesla wants $11k to unlock an MS 40 to a 60 (and another $2k to enable SuperCharging)... that's not such a bad deal...
I upgraded from 60D to 75D - kind of. I had 60D on order with estimated delivery in late December. My OA found a new inventory 75D that I liked that had a 3K discount on it, that I could get it early December. I had the option to take it as 75D and get the discount or downgrade to 60D, lose the discount, but also reduce the price by 7K (I had the older pricing on 60D). I decided to go with 75D. The reason being I do a 230 mile round trip every couple of weeks or so. There is a supercharger in between, but it is not midway and with a 60D I would need to stop and charge both ways in winter months here in Seattle.
With 75D, I can charge to 100% and then stop and supercharge only on the way back. And maybe once weather gets warmer, I may be able to do the complete trip without stopping to supercharge in 75D.
Winter temperatures kill the range a lot. I have seen when temps are below 30, when I reach the supercharger, I have less than 10% of range. One time I had only 9 miles (and I had done everything possible to extend range) after starting with 100%. But when temps are around 50, I am reaching supercharger with around 15 - 20% range. Will see what happens once we start to see temps in upper 60s and 70s.
There also also other longer drives here in Pac NW that I will be able to do with 75D and not possible with 60D, unless I drive out of the way (extra) to a supercharger to charge.
I totally agree that the price they charge for the extra range is a lot vs. the value you get. But I was going to upgrade later anyway due to my needs, and when I got the discount, I decided to do it at the time or purchase vs. later.
With 75D, I can charge to 100% and then stop and supercharge only on the way back. And maybe once weather gets warmer, I may be able to do the complete trip without stopping to supercharge in 75D.
Winter temperatures kill the range a lot. I have seen when temps are below 30, when I reach the supercharger, I have less than 10% of range. One time I had only 9 miles (and I had done everything possible to extend range) after starting with 100%. But when temps are around 50, I am reaching supercharger with around 15 - 20% range. Will see what happens once we start to see temps in upper 60s and 70s.
There also also other longer drives here in Pac NW that I will be able to do with 75D and not possible with 60D, unless I drive out of the way (extra) to a supercharger to charge.
I totally agree that the price they charge for the extra range is a lot vs. the value you get. But I was going to upgrade later anyway due to my needs, and when I got the discount, I decided to do it at the time or purchase vs. later.
Sir Guacamolaf
The good kind of fat
While not exactly your situation, I went for the lowest battery size available at the time I purchased (70). I have never missed range or acceleration. I wish I could get 60, and save even more $.
I don't think Tesla was not selling 60s. On the contrary, people buying 60s were most likely not upgrading to 75, because, you just don't need it! And Tesla was basically selling larger battery for lower price.
IMO what Tesla should do, is to amortize the upgrade cost to 8 years, i.e. if you upgrade after 2 years, it doesn't cost you 100% of what it would have cost you on day #1. This way, Tesla will unlock some value, and some owners, after a year or two, may actually decide to upgrade.
For now, once you get used to/comfortable with 60's range and driving patterns, you realize, that you don't really need to spend that much more for basically not much.
I don't think Tesla was not selling 60s. On the contrary, people buying 60s were most likely not upgrading to 75, because, you just don't need it! And Tesla was basically selling larger battery for lower price.
IMO what Tesla should do, is to amortize the upgrade cost to 8 years, i.e. if you upgrade after 2 years, it doesn't cost you 100% of what it would have cost you on day #1. This way, Tesla will unlock some value, and some owners, after a year or two, may actually decide to upgrade.
For now, once you get used to/comfortable with 60's range and driving patterns, you realize, that you don't really need to spend that much more for basically not much.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the #1 reason to get a 75 (or upgrade to a 75) vs. a 60 is to not have the little "60" plate on the car showing that you went for the lowest end model. Pure speculation, of course.
johnzhang22
Member
Simple solution, I debadged my 60D. It looks better IMO, now people can simply admire the beauty of the car, and not have to focus on how much I paid for it.
I'm proud of being smart enough to take advantage of a good deal. I'll sport the 60D with pride.
As a 60D owner, "issa no from me dawg".
60D give you max charge @100% for 62 and change Kwh, 75D give you a max @ 90% for ~67.5 Kwh. Not worth the money for ~5Kwh
Amen, it's really 75D owners that should be embarrassed. If they weren't going for the best value why not pony up for the big dog P models.
No ICE
2016 S75D pearl AP1, & 2014 silver S85 AP1
I think the best Tesla deal yet was the 60D pre nov 2k price hike, and it had the free supercharging and AP2 avail! You guys with that config and that purchase timing are sitting pretty sweet right now! I have a 75D, we purchased it during that one week inventory fire sale back in oct 2016 for 7k off, otherwise I would have gotten the 60D. And happily charged it to 100% daily. I don't think hardly anyone is doing the range upgrade. Too much cost $, also it makes even less sense with the 90-100D cost of 3k.
I am one of the very lucky ones, a true unicorn:
Model S 60D
Pre-November Price Hike
AP 2.0 Hardware (EAP-Enabled)
Free Supercharging
Next Gen Seats were switched to Tesla Premium Seats after ordering / prior to delivery
Vented seats on Tesla Premium Seats (feature added post ordering / removed prior to delivery)
Interior Combo of Tan Seats with Dark Ash and Black Alcantara Headliner (discontinued full custom interiors after ordering / prior to delivery)
I want to do this but I am going to be leasing the car. Do you guys think this is a bad idea or should I just put it on again after three years when I am returning it?
