For those that paid for 60kWh to 75 kWh upgrade, was it worth it?

[gabeincal]

Ah, good to know I'm not alone. So we shouldn't expect it to actually charge to showing 249?

You're certainly not alone. New batteries are expected to degrade 2-4% in the first year. It's even worse probably (and might be temporary degradation) because we could never charge to 100% on a software limited 60, hence why the cells got out of balance lowering the range. Some of that can be recouped by charging to 100% many times (but NOT leaving the car at 100% SoC for more than a couple hours).

 

[rainforest]

It's just demand vs supply. At 9k, there was no demand. At 5k there was some demand. At 2k there was a lot of demand. No reason to lower. Whether demand was generated by fake promises or just the value of the upgrade is debatable. I'm sour about many things that are related to Tesla, but I'm certainly not about this one.

Yeah, but why don't they lower it for my X60D? Still way more than $2000.

 

[alehbaba]

It's just demand vs supply. At 9k, there was no demand. At 5k there was some demand. At 2k there was a lot of demand. No reason to lower. Whether demand was generated by fake promises or just the value of the upgrade is debatable. I'm sour about many things that are related to Tesla, but I'm certainly not about this one.

i like how people who paid 2k post things like>>> no reason to lower it more<<lol....yes there is...to get even more of the people moved over to the 75d..and for people who see 2k as too much. geez

 

[gabeincal]

Yeah, but why don't they lower it for my X60D? Still way more than $2000.

I think that the X60 was a much better bargain than the S60 and therefore they might be hoping to recoup some of that loss of profit via the upgrades..?

 

[MIT_S60]

Yeah, but why don't they lower it for my X60D? Still way more than $2000.

The X60D was an insanely good bargain (unfortunately pulled right before I was ready to buy). I think the profit may not have been there for the X60D so they're hoping they can recuperate a bit more from it. And also, the S75/S75D received a $5k price drop when the S60/S60D was discontinued in April 2017. The drop in the upgrade price was a reflection of that. I don't think the X75D dropped by $5k in price.

 

[dknisely]

I thought 75 had very slow charging after 90%. How long does it take to go from 90% to 100% at a supercharger?

I just completed a road trip from Vancouver to Calgary in my X60D. I didn't have any issues reaching each charger, but would have reduced my stress a bit if I had a X75D. Just wish the upgrade price was lower.

About 30 minutes from 10 (or less) to 90%, and about 30 more minutes from 90 to 99%. The last one percent is painful sometimes, and really not worth worrying about.

 

[dknisely]

I jumped on the $2K upgrade because there is always a possibility it will go away or be raised. I have zero regrets; I think that I always intended to upgrade and expected a price reduction (never even hoped for $2K; I would have jumped at $5K).

75 vs. 60 is night and day for actual road trips in the Pacific northwest. We've done three weekend road trips, none of which would have been possible with 60, but were tolerable or easy with 75. Destination charging (even @ 120V!) overnight is a HUGE benefit. I have just added a long 10 gauge extension cord for those cases. 4 miles/hour is nothing to laugh at when you are in the boonies.

Unfortunately, we have almost no Chademo L3 chargers in this area, so that's no solution. Looking forward to a few more SCs to be added in this area. Seattle to Vancouver, and Vancouver area in general, is not pleasant, but if you find a destination charger, it is tolerable.

 

[dknisely]

Something is wrong with your car. My 60 -> 75 upgrade happily charges at 96kW for 20-30% of charge, then stabilizes around 80 and tapers off as normal.

See my recent charging:

Supercharger getting mostly Chademo speeds

Service Center says you are crazy. I swear that I saw 96 kW when it was new, but they tell me that is impossible with a 60/75 pack.

Perhaps it is impossible with the new charging limit restrictions in SW. At five SCs in my area, I saw 86 kW once, and essentially never exceed 40 most of the rest of the time (sometimes 50 for a short time). SC says my car is fine based on charging logs. This is consistent with what I see reported by many people. CA mileage may differ.

 

[gabeincal]

Service Center says you are crazy. I swear that I saw 96 kW when it was new, but they tell me that is impossible with a 60/75 pack.

Perhaps it is impossible with the new charging limit restrictions in SW. At five SCs in my area, I saw 86 kW once, and essentially never exceed 40 most of the rest of the time (sometimes 50 for a short time). SC says my car is fine based on charging logs. This is consistent with what I see reported by many people. CA mileage may differ.

Will happily post a picture of 96 kW when I get to a SC next. Service center don't know their own cars. It is impossible to get 110 kW with 60/75 that's true, but 96 is not impossible in my opinion...

 

[gabeincal]

Will happily post a picture of 96 kW when I get to a SC next. Service center don't know their own cars. It is impossible to get 110 kW with 60/75 that's true, but 96 is not impossible in my opinion...

Also, see this post for more data on what is possible... So tired of clueless people at Tesla...

 

[croman]

105kwh is max with 350V batteries. I've pulled 98 several times. I've sat at 96 for a while too. If I turned off HVAC I'd probably see 100kw.

 

[gabeincal]

105kwh is max with 350V batteries. I've pulled 98 several times. I've sat at 96 for a while too. If I turned off HVAC I'd probably see 100kw.

Right. So after this, how do you trust a service center that says the customer is crazy to state something true...?

 

[whitex]

I jumped on the $2K upgrade because there is always a possibility it will go away or be raised. I have zero regrets; I think that I always intended to upgrade and expected a price reduction (never even hoped for $2K; I would have jumped at $5K).

75 vs. 60 is night and day for actual road trips in the Pacific northwest. We've done three weekend road trips, none of which would have been possible with 60, but were tolerable or easy with 75. Destination charging (even @ 120V!) overnight is a HUGE benefit. I have just added a long 10 gauge extension cord for those cases. 4 miles/hour is nothing to laugh at when you are in the boonies.

Unfortunately, we have almost no Chademo L3 chargers in this area, so that's no solution. Looking forward to a few more SCs to be added in this area. Seattle to Vancouver, and Vancouver area in general, is not pleasant, but if you find a destination charger, it is tolerable.

I think you may be exaggerating a little. I had a the original 60 for a while and never had any range issues (ok, once had to change my plans, but it would have taken 120KWh+ battery to accommodate). I just did a Seattle->Vancouver->around North Vancouver->back to Seattle trip (North Vancouver has mountain driving, so high usage) in a P85D which has lower rated range than 75D and made it with just Burlington supercharger (on way there and on way back) and a a quick visit (~15 minutes) to a free ChaDeMo in north Vancouver. Comfortable range buffer throughout the trip. The return trip supercharge was very quick top off, just enough to get home with 40 mile range just in case. At no time did I charge above 90%, so if it was a software limited 60 it would have been the same as unlocked 75 - 85 helped a little with faster supercharging, but few minutes total probably. As for 120V overnight charging, that's max 4mph so overnight is what 40 miles? If 75 vs. 60 makes a difference there, that means you started charging with over 200miles in the battery already, so it would be a really unusual situation where you arrive somewhere with 210 miles, and next day you need 250 miles because there are no chargers around.

PS> We also have a 75, and if you're curious why I upgraded, mostly because I figured Tesla doesn't test sw limited 60's much and the restriction may affect battery management in way they did not fully foresee (e.g. maybe cell balancing never kicks in). $2K was right on the verge of what I would pay (it also helped that it was tax free - btw, funny fact, before the price drop in WA state it was actually cheaper to buy a 60 and then upgrade for $9K than to buy a 75 - that's because the the upgrade was tax free and the saved tax was more than the post-delivery upgrade fee).

 

[rainforest]

I jumped on the $2K upgrade because there is always a possibility it will go away or be raised. I have zero regrets; I think that I always intended to upgrade and expected a price reduction (never even hoped for $2K; I would have jumped at $5K).

75 vs. 60 is night and day for actual road trips in the Pacific northwest. We've done three weekend road trips, none of which would have been possible with 60, but were tolerable or easy with 75. Destination charging (even @ 120V!) overnight is a HUGE benefit. I have just added a long 10 gauge extension cord for those cases. 4 miles/hour is nothing to laugh at when you are in the boonies.

Unfortunately, we have almost no Chademo L3 chargers in this area, so that's no solution. Looking forward to a few more SCs to be added in this area. Seattle to Vancouver, and Vancouver area in general, is not pleasant, but if you find a destination charger, it is tolerable.

You can charge for free at Oakridge Centre in Vancouver.

 

[smilepak]

I wouldn't mind if I can do my 70D to 75D for 2k. Sadly not an option for me. That's additional 25 - 30 miles rating upgrade.

 

[SteelSully]

Ah, good to know I'm not alone. So we shouldn't expect it to actually charge to showing 249?

I'm seeing the exact same numbers after my 70 --> 75 upgrade. Recently did a trip to Quebec and charged to 100% once or twice to rebalance and my numbers were at 239-241. 90% charge is around 214-216 on a June 2016 MS w/ ~25k on it.

Really didn't need the upgrade, but now that Tesla is finally opening a dealership/service center here in Richmond, VA at the end of August - I did it knowing I could eventually get the new badge without having to make the trip up to DC!

 

[appleguru]

My 60D upgraded to 75D gets ~255miles of range @ 100%. Has 7k miles; usually charge to around 90% daily. Charged it typically to 90-100% daily when it was a 60D.

 

[ucmndd]

You're certainly not alone. New batteries are expected to degrade 2-4% in the first year. It's even worse probably (and might be temporary degradation) because we could never charge to 100% on a software limited 60, hence why the cells got out of balance lowering the range. Some of that can be recouped by charging to 100% many times (but NOT leaving the car at 100% SoC for more than a couple hours).

Providing a data point, my Dec '16 MS 60 with ~22k miles now shows a range of 201 miles at at 100% SoC, down from 210 at delivery. I expect upgrading to a 75 would result in a similar loss of overall capacity (though maybe getting a bit back with the ability to charge to a true 100% and balance the cells).

 

[jlutzwpi]

This was on my 60 RWD in March.

Service Center says you are crazy. I swear that I saw 96 kW when it was new, but they tell me that is impossible with a 60/75 pack.

Perhaps it is impossible with the new charging limit restrictions in SW. At five SCs in my area, I saw 86 kW once, and essentially never exceed 40 most of the rest of the time (sometimes 50 for a short time). SC says my car is fine based on charging logs. This is consistent with what I see reported by many people. CA mileage may differ.

 

[dknisely]

This was on my 60 RWD in March.
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LA or SF area, I assume? I think perhaps the Superchargers have more limited rates up here in the Seattle area (maybe grid-limited). Unfortunately, the service center doesn't have a Super Charger to actually test with here. (Is that normal???)