You are correct Ford didn't immediately took advantage of the TARP program and didn't declare bankruptcy. They were (and are) on a more solid footing than GM and Chrysler/Fiat and have been able to avoid bankruptcy by taking a BIG loan from the government. By that time the credit rating of Ford was so low, that no one but the government would provide such a loan to Ford, so effectively it is a bailout, but through different budgetary mechanisms and without bankruptcy. An interesting aspect of that loan and TARP talks with Ford was that Ford promised to introduce electric vehicles to the market and reduce emissions of the rest of its fleet by mid 2010th.
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Ford Mach-e
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Ford's future of infotainment will run on Google's Android
So they are already sunsetting the infotainment system they just built for the Mach-E?
So they are already sunsetting the infotainment system they just built for the Mach-E?
Wow.. I bet this will be triggering many questions from Mach-E reservation holders.
Did they even start delivering them in volume?
Did early reviews force them to make this drastic decision to head-off owner complaints?
Did they even start delivering them in volume?
Did early reviews force them to make this drastic decision to head-off owner complaints?
Oh... Ford started to deliver some Mach-E according to me reading macheforum.com and the results are ... mixed ... sometimes. They already have known issues of (1) Android Auto not working with some (many) phones; (2) WiFi connection issues; (3) some phones (many) don't work as a car key; (4) problems activating Ford's discount rate payment on EA, so some pay at $0.43/kWh which is a shocker for new happy Ford EV owners considering its inefficient energy use (like 2x more expensive than an ICE car on trips).
A lot of fun ahead ....
Today, while driving, I listened on NPR to a brief discussion about GM's announcement they plan to sell no ICE vehicles by 2035. The commenters were playing a shock, like, "wow, they are moving so fast, just in 15 years, would other car manufacturers be able to follow GM's lead?" At this point I closed my eyes and ears (good Tesla has the Autopilot). If Tesla and VW are serious about their EV volumes by 2030, then GM is all but guaranteed to make no ICE vehicles by 2035, it will make no more vehicles at all.
Considering Ford's finances and corporate culture, I begin suspecting that Ford is simply incapable to scale up profitable EV production, and that they made the Mach-E to establish themselves as an also-EV-manufacturer before getting acquired by Tesla. By the way, I also think that Ford's plans for F-150 EV are a commercial and marketing joke.
Here are the news:
Ford has delivered 238 Mach-E in January.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-s-sales-and-production-stats-238-4-250.3114/
Where are the articles screaming "Broken promises", "Ford has production hell after all", "Missing targets", "Is Ford hiding serious issues with the vehicle?", "Ford invented mass production of the cars, not Ford fails it", etc.
To be fair, considering their 4250 vehicle production in January, it amounts to 51000 annual rate. So, they still are on target with production technically.
Needsdecaf
Active Member
This is an interesting take. Pretty far out there, IMO.
Not quite sure of your point here. Ford MASSIVELY screwed up the launch of the Lincoln Aviator and Ford Explorer. Two hugely important vehicles for them. They know they can't repeat that, and likely are taking it slow.
Are you really doubting Ford's ability to make and sell these cars in the long run as posted in your quote above? I really think you are off base if that's your point.
morinma
Member
We saw our first Mustang Mach-E in the wild. It has nice lines. I like my Y better. I was driving it in "Wife Mode" (Chill)
Staggered delayed technology introduction, "Helly Billy Joe, why don't we save that one for the next model year?"...and the board
claps unanimously while trade union bosses collect millions convincing the workforce to resist changes in the manufacturing process.
Ha ha ha.. 
Ford's Mach-E "under specs" official fkuc-you response.
www.macheforum.com
Ford's Mach-E "under specs" official fkuc-you response.
SM 49810 - Buzz Noise From The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC)
SSM 49810 - 2021 Mustang Mach-E - 21 May 2021 - Buzz Noise From The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Some 2021 Mustang Mach-E vehicles may exhibit a buzzing noise from the IPC that changes with the brightness setting. This is a normal operating characteristic of the vehicle and replacement of the...
www.macheforum.com
Tesla: "within spec"
Ford: "under specs"
Ford and the other major OEMs generally just buy stuff from their suppliers' catalogs and integrate it. Anything goes wrong and they point to their suppliers and throw their hands-up. Tesla does actual design and engineering so you can hold their feet to the fire.
Ford: "under specs"
Ford and the other major OEMs generally just buy stuff from their suppliers' catalogs and integrate it. Anything goes wrong and they point to their suppliers and throw their hands-up. Tesla does actual design and engineering so you can hold their feet to the fire.
Ha ha ha..
Ford's Mach-E "under specs" official fkuc-you response.
SM 49810 - Buzz Noise From The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC)
SSM 49810 - 2021 Mustang Mach-E - 21 May 2021 - Buzz Noise From The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Some 2021 Mustang Mach-E vehicles may exhibit a buzzing noise from the IPC that changes with the brightness setting. This is a normal operating characteristic of the vehicle and replacement of the...
Take a peak at the Mach-e forum where they discuss the "better build quality"
Issues, Warranty, Recalls, TSB
I think you will find it mostly contains the Ford "Quality is Job 1" good 'ol college try.
This most recent post, proves your point about the dealer "looking" at the car prior to delivering.
I went to pick up my Mach-E today and found this...
Even the drive mode selector knob on a couple Mach-e's have cracked
www.macheforum.com
Dial Cracked Under Normal Use
I’ve had my Mach E officially for 6 days now and the dial for the drive selector has already cracked. Nothing has been dropped on it or left sitting on it. My dealership has always been fantastic so I am hoping it will be covered under warranty. I saw one post on another website where someone...
www.macheforum.com
hridge2020
Member
HankLloydRight
No Roads
This is kinda old news:
www.thedrive.com
If you google that VIN, that particular car is being sold by several different Ford dealers: 3FMTK1RM4MMA27493 - Google Search
Ford Wipes Out $10,000 Dealer Markup on Mustang Mach-E After Twitter Protests
Dealers usually get their way when it comes to "market adjustments" on hot new cars—just not this time.
www.thedrive.com
If you google that VIN, that particular car is being sold by several different Ford dealers: 3FMTK1RM4MMA27493 - Google Search
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El joe
Active Member
Crazy -- I was looking at some other new cars and it's insane how much dealers are marking prices up. I looking at some Rav4 Primes in my area and markups are in the $14-16,000 range putting them in the early-$60k range. Makes me appreciate Tesla's non-dealership model so much more.
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