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Forgot my key today...
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Babylonfive
Power12
Brian,
I think that there is a position for an UNDERPOWERED fob to still operate (near the passenger windshield, but I don't think the fob has a method for powering itself with no battery power. My understanding was that the special location was just as close to the antenna as you could get and maximized the chances of a successful communication even at very low power... FWIW
DrTaras
R254->R725->S->X->M3->M3P-->R2020?
proximity sensors for the Home Link allow car to be opened without the key?
I had another twist on this in the reverse and figured rekindling this thread was better than starting a new thread...
My car is parked in my secure garage. Sometimes I go there to retrieve something out of it. In all my other cars, the doors are left unlocked in my garage so I can simply open the door & retrieve away. With my Model S I have to have the key on me to open the doors. Since the car knows that it is in the garage (proximity sensors for the Home Link) I wonder if there could be a future software upgrade that allows the Model S to be open-able (maybe just tap on the retracted door handle) even if you don't have the key with you? Either that or have carrerascott install that magic hook that he mentioned in one of his 1st posts :wink:
I had another twist on this in the reverse and figured rekindling this thread was better than starting a new thread...
My car is parked in my secure garage. Sometimes I go there to retrieve something out of it. In all my other cars, the doors are left unlocked in my garage so I can simply open the door & retrieve away. With my Model S I have to have the key on me to open the doors. Since the car knows that it is in the garage (proximity sensors for the Home Link) I wonder if there could be a future software upgrade that allows the Model S to be open-able (maybe just tap on the retracted door handle) even if you don't have the key with you? Either that or have carrerascott install that magic hook that he mentioned in one of his 1st posts :wink:
gctseng
All around good guy
Warning would be nice, but def. one concern is that someone can START the car and drive off while the fob is OUTSIDE of the car. I just confirmed this by walking in the garage and, keeping the key away from the car about 1 foot (put it on a stool near the car), opened the door, sat in the car, and started driving.
No warning.
Troubling, as even my old 2006 Prius could tell if the fob was inside the car. Heck, the could be in the trunk and it could start. However, if there was no key in the car, it wouldn't start (or would warn that the key was away from the car if I had started the car and walked away with the key).
I agree the car should not shut off once it is started with the key in the car if it somehow loses connection with the key, but should throw up a warning.
I seriously doubt this is beyond the engineering talents of Tesla's engineering team. Someone just needs to diagram the logic.
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The Prius has a transponder at each of the active door handle locations plus one in the dash area. This allows it to triangulate and find the fob's location. The Tesla appears to have only one, or perhaps two, transponders, so it can only measure distance. This appears to be a cost cutting measure.
deonb
Active Member
It does - it has an RFID transponder in it to allow it to operate without power. The 2 RFID receivers in the car is close to the windshield on the passenger side, as well as in the cupholder.
Robecology
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The app let's you access the car?
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Found it. Another reason this car IS the future.
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Found it. Another reason this car IS the future.
araxara
X-LR M3AWD, MYLR
I have the same issue. What I do is unlock the car as I walk away from it (by double pressing the top of the key fob) and place the key inside the home in a convenient location.
There are no HomeLink proximity sensors. The HomeLink menu pops up due to the car recognizing the GPS location. But, obviously, the GPS location could be used to leave the doors unlocked.
gctseng
All around good guy
This would be a nice option, although I'm sure many people would not necessarily feel comfortable with their car unlocked all the time, even at home.
App doesn't let you start the car, so doesn't address the forgetting your keys and driving away.
Haha. Sad. Let's hope this isn't a big deal.
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DrTaras
R254->R725->S->X->M3->M3P-->R2020?
And it stays unlocked? I thought that after a certain amount of time it will lock. Don't the door handles get sucked in so how would you get into your car, in your garage without the key?
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That's why they call 'em "options." You'd have a toggle option to not change the current settings; I'd even be in favor of letting the default settings be the current ones and you'd have to over ride to have the "DrTaras" option :wink:
Mine locks after a few seconds as long as I'm not standing right by it with the fob. If I am then the handles retract but the car stays unlocked until I walk away. Handles retracting appear to be time based, locking is distance based.
If the handles are retracted, you can just press one to get them out again (assuming the car is actually unlocked or the key is close).
NigelM
Recovering Member
This happened to me this morning. One key was inside a metal box in the garage, other key was 20ft+ away. I realized I had forgotten the key just as I sat down, but the car turned on anyway... try to put it in drive.. yup goes into drive. Drove about 40ft down the driveway, still no complaint from the car!! WTF?
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
Love this idea.
I borrowed a Model S about a year ago & drove off with the key fob still in the other person's pocket. I was halfway home (140 miles) when I realized ... no fob. I spent the next 70 miles wishing I hadn't had those last two cups of coffee.
Good news was they could start the car remotely and also fedex'd the fob to me immediately.Easy to forget. But I wouldn't like to see the constraints being suggested here.
Yeah, Tesla needs to improve key sensing behavior.
1. It should chime at you when a key is not detected and the vehicle is in drive.
2. It should not allow the car to lock when a key is inside and the car is off. Several folks have reported unknowingly misplacing their key, walking away, and returning only to find they are locked out. Luckily, the iPhone app comes to the rescue provided that you are within coverage.
1. It should chime at you when a key is not detected and the vehicle is in drive.
2. It should not allow the car to lock when a key is inside and the car is off. Several folks have reported unknowingly misplacing their key, walking away, and returning only to find they are locked out. Luckily, the iPhone app comes to the rescue provided that you are within coverage.
mknox
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The problem is it can't seem to distinguish whether the key is "inside" or "outside". It only seems to be able to determine if it can see the key or not.
Similar to @GasDoc, I keep a spare battery in the car (but not a spare fob). I figure if my fob battery dies, I can still get in the car with my phone app, then swap out my fob battery once inside. This does not solve a lost or broken fob but (knock on wood) that hasn't happened to me on any of my fob-equipped cars yet!
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