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Freeway signs and others

Discussion in 'Charging Standards and Infrastructure' started by Gynob001, Sep 6, 2013.

  1. Gynob001

    Gynob001 Closed

    Aug 1, 2013
    1. Just like Freeway signs for eating places, Hotels, gas etc along freeway exits, it might be great idea to include a sign for electric charging stations.
    2. It would be nice if Rest Areas have charging stations. Government should take initiative to incorporate this.
    3. Recently I charged my Model S with 110V current, it took for ever!
    4. Home builders need to be aware of electric cars and garage outlets. My builder did provide a 240V outlet but didn't have any idea of where the charging door is located on the cars. The cords provided by the car manufacturers often are not long enough to reach the outlets. Besides, the cord stretched along the garage becomes a hazard.
    5. Even when there are charging stations, hardly one or two outlets are provided. Considering several cars are "serviced" in gas pumps, if a charger is occupied, there is no way of telling when the "pump" would be available for the next person.
  2. PhilBa

    PhilBa Active Member

    Apr 20, 2013
    EVSE highway signs is one of those incredibly obvious ideas that you never thought about! Having EVSE signs at exits will do a lot to change people's perceptions about EVs. Regularly seeing that charge stations are available will help mitigate the range issue. Tesla should put up SC signs like that (maybe they already have?). I bet that's incredibly effective advertising.
  3. Lloyd

    Lloyd Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    San Luis Obispo, CA
    Someone would have to agree on signage Icons for the type of charging/adapters that are available at that stop.
  4. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

    Nov 10, 2011
    We already have some of these in WA state.
  5. ChadS

    ChadS Last tank of gas: March 2009. EV miles: 233,000

    Jul 16, 2009
    Redmond, WA
    #5 ChadS, Sep 6, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2013
    A few years ago the Puget Sound Regional Council put out a bid to ready local governments for EVs - the first of its kind. Plug In America won the contract, and put together a model ordinance report that included model ordinances for cities to incorporate that would cover permitting, installation, signage and such related to EVSEs. We worked with state and federal officials and got them both to agree on specific signage. The guidebook is available to any municipality, and indeed it has been adopted across the nation. WA and OR both have signs pointing to EVSE from their freeways.

    Why was WA first in the nation - by far - to do this sort of work? In 2008 and 2009 representative Deb Eddy from Kirkland sponsored and passed a bill that not only mandated that all state and municipal entities be EV-ready by 2013, it also included money for the PSRC project to make it easy for them to do so. This was the brainchild of Jeff Finn, who was done volunteer work for the Seattle EV Association for years (he just recently became a Plug In America board member, as well).

    We worked with the state departments of Transportation and Commerce on their charging projects as well. They initially wanted L2 EVSE at rest areas; we convinced them that L2 was more useful in cities. We did try to get DC charging at rest areas, but the gas & convenience store lobby blocked that idea, saying that the state should neither give away nor sell fuel as that would compete with private enterprise. (We managed to sidestep that at the Northernmost and Southernmost rest areas on I-5 by using Adopt-A-Charger to pay for the electricity. That said, we don't expect the L2 to be used much for travel; they are more educational installations for all the gas cars that stop there).
  6. Discoducky

    Discoducky Active Member

    Dec 25, 2011
    How funny that since I only drive in WA and OR mostly with the Model S, I assumed this was all over the country. Pretty cool and can't wait to thank those responsible in a few weeks in person at Plug-in America day!
  7. Robert.Boston

    Robert.Boston Model S VIN P01536

    Oct 7, 2011
    Portland, Maine, USA
    Signage for Superchargers isn't really needed -- every car capable of using the Superchargers has the navigation system to find them. But as a general matter, yes, it would be great to have charging locations marked clearly on highways, just as gas stations are on most of the main interstates.
  8. dsm363

    dsm363 Roadster + Sig Model S

    May 17, 2009
    It would help just advertising EVs. The more signs people see the more they might be open to buying an EV if they think they can travel with it.
  9. wycolo

    wycolo Active Member

    May 16, 2012
    WA & WY
    I love the highway signs with the airliner silhouette pointing to a cornfield landing strip with a shack and a fuel tank.
  10. stevezzzz

    stevezzzz R;SigS;P85D;SigX;S90D;XP100D;3LR

    Nov 13, 2009
    So do I, because I love those dinky airfields and like to stop and see what's going on. Nothing, as often as not, but I still like 'em. :biggrin:

    Back on topic, highway signs pointing the way to EV charging stations would be a good thing all around.
  11. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Well-Known Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    - Tesla Motors badge+<symbol>: Tesla Superchargers plus <symbol> representing the local amenity (e.g. a fruitcake)
    - Red plug on white background: ChaDeMo.
    - Frankenstein's monster's head: SAE DC fast charger.
  12. Steven Loyens

    Steven Loyens Member

    May 30, 2013
    Tienen, Belgium
    Did some graphic work on designing a road sign for loading spaces.

    Laadbord EV klein2.jpg

    Green is the same as used in a lot of parking spaces here in Europe to indicate it is a "reserved" space for EV's.
    The loading symbol around the P is for indicating it's a charging spot for EV's (cars, bike's, scooters, trucks, ...)
    like the same symbol that is used for handicapped reserved parking spaces.
    The 1, 2 and DC symbol's at the bottom are to indicate the different type's of loading connections available.
  13. Mark Petersen

    Mark Petersen Model S EU P71

    Jul 15, 2009
    Hørsholm, Denmark
    We'll the arrow and the round bars do not really signal EV charging
    I like this a little better just wish they only show the plug, and remove the station part
  14. FlyinLow

    FlyinLow Enjoy the journey

    Feb 5, 2018
    Revamping an old thread...

    I agree, it looks like a gas pump with a plug on the side. Tesla Supercharger posts are largely for advertising and to hold up the charge cord, shield it from the rain, and position the thick cable for plugging in.

    A universal sign will likely be a natural result of a national charging standard. We don't have one of those yet. Unfortunately, because Tesla is leading the way it is likely those drug kicking and screaming into the EV transition will choose some other plug just to make things difficult.

    Wouldn't it be nice if there was a Supercharger station (or DC fast charger) at every travel stop like FlyingJ, Love's, Travel America, etc. throughout the U.S.? I'm sure there's similar branded travel stops all around the world that would make sense. I wouldn't even mind paying per use for widely available charging since driving electric is still much cheaper per mile even if paying double the national average per kWh.
  15. cpa

    cpa Active Member

    May 17, 2014
    Central Valley
    The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices already has the approved signage:

    Figure 2I-1 Long Description - MUTCD 2009 Edition - FHWA

    A number of years ago I searched this site, and I came to the conclusion that in California, anyway (we have our own set of sub rules), the informational signs that are on the freeways that provide notice for lodging, fuel, eating, and EV charging are paid for by the businesses, and not by the taxpayers.

    It is unclear whether the business would pay for stand-alone directional signs once off the highway and onto the frontage or arterial roads.

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