pilotSteve
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Actually having lidar on engineering test vehicles would help validate the current AP2 sensor suite and speed up release of FSDOtherwise there is no point that tesla is testing lidar right now.
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Actually having lidar on engineering test vehicles would help validate the current AP2 sensor suite and speed up release of FSDOtherwise there is no point that tesla is testing lidar right now.
So on 23rd Jan 2017 Elon promised that FSD feature will be here. Its 9 days from 3 months mark and we are not even at full parity with AP1.
Let alone EAP specific features such as autosteer+ on non-divided local roads, on ramp / off ramp, self lane changing, smart summon and self parking.
We are supposed to have that weeks ago and preparing to get the update to enable something like stopping at traffic lights, stop sign, make turns, navigating roundabouts maybe?
Right now we have nothing, nothing but more hype statements to sell more cars, raise stock market and have naïve people pay $8,000 of their hard earned money on a fantasy FSD.
Its been 7 months and we still don't have full parity AP1 after being promised we would have not only it but EAP features.
The "6 months definitely" doesn't matter because the 3 months was used to generate hype and headlines when tesla isn't even anywhere close.
Its like saying we will beat the Warriors in 4 games but 7 games definitely.
Making that statement you already know what everyone pays attention to is that you said you will sweep the warriors and that will be the headline and the point of the statement.
I predicted exactly how long the updates would take and was down voted to hell and yet I was right.
Enhanced Autopilot 2 may never happen before Full Self Driving is ready!
Elon being challenged about his 3 months statement points to his "maybe"
Actually, if want to be literal, all they need to do is change a color of the steering wheel on the cluster, or a button shape, or anything like that, as long as those who paid for FSD get something, anything, different than those who didn't. That would satisfy the "noticeably depart" commitment = "what, you can't see the wheel is now green instead of blue?" No different than the 8.1 release, which looked like just rebadged 8.0 patch - didn't have any of the major features promised for 8.1. Welcome to the new, smarter and wiser Elon and Tesla, they no longer commit to specifics like 691hp, or specific dates - if you read the disclaimer for EAP and FSD, 20 years from now they can tell you "we're still working on it" and they'd be covered by the small print from today.FYI, the tweet and its response doesn't promise full self driving. Just saying some features will start to deviate from EAP. It is highly possible that traffic light recognition will be added to the next iteration of software update for FSD owners.
One of the things that drives me a bit nuts about Elon is he over-promises, and under-delivers. It does because I'm strongly aligned to under promising, and over delivering. That way I hardly ever make promises that I can't keep.
It also feels like society is more accepting of BS than in any time I can remember.
But, lots of people will argue that he can still deliver more as a result of constantly sticking his neck out. That you have to take these kinds of risks, and hope things work out.
I tend to be a realist though so I'm not going to bet my money on it until I see something more tangible.
My Model X does not even have working cruise control after 8.1...and now you are telling me we gonna have full self driving...lol tbh Lvl5 will not happen on HW2. HW2 is lvl4 at its best.
So it's been about 3 months since his tweet and FSDC isn't here. So what? He didn't promise it would be. He said FSDC "definitely" would offer significantly more than EAP by 6 months after his tweet. He did not say it would provide Level 5 autonomous driving or be a finished product by then.So on 23rd Jan 2017 Elon promised that FSD feature will be here
You are pretty agitated about this issue. Are you accusing Elon of deliberate deception? You are welcome to your opinion of course. I don't agree with your characterizations. I am long TSLA and at this point am confident I am making the right decision.Right now we have nothing, nothing but more hype statements to sell more cars, raise stock market and have naïve people pay $8,000 of their hard earned money on a fantasy FSD.
And the history of Tesla since Elon took over as CEO shows just that pattern of behavior: setting extremely ambitious and difficult goals, often not meeting stated timelines, but on balance achieving important objectives. What Tesla has accomplished in just 13 years is extraordinary by any reasonable standard, and it happened in part because Elon set near impossible goals. You don't do what Tesla has done by setting a low bar.But, lots of people will argue that he can still deliver more as a result of constantly sticking his neck out. That you have to take these kinds of risks, and hope things work out.
Right now we have nothing, nothing but more hype statements to sell more cars, raise stock market and have naïve people pay $8,000 of their hard earned money on a fantasy FSD.
Well, he could always do like Microsoft and release it before it's ready...
You gotta pay attention to the details of what Elon says.
He never said the FSD feature. He was answering a question by someone really asking when Tesla would throw FSD owners a bone.
He didn't give any details about how FSD would noticeable depart, and simply gave a ridiculous timeline for this mysterious divergence. You know any time line that is 3-6 months is pretty much BS.
I believe he eluded to a safety element in a later tweet since the FSD allows the usage of all the cameras.
You do realize, that within the next 3 months, they could release Stop Sign Recognition, Traffic Light Recognition, something fairly minor (in Beta), and it will still be considered FSD Features.
Also because it's Elon, the maybe is unlikely, the Definitely is a maybe. So We're looking at features related to FSD within the next 3 months.
Which is totally fine by me
EDIT: @S4WRXTTCS are you a wizard?
I agree. But I also think that he imposes very ambitious "deadlines" to create pressure on himself and the company. And by doing so, he gets things done that "should have" taken a lot longer.
If they took away all that I accomplished the night before it was due, I'd have accomplished a whole lot less in this life.
I'm going to quote @bonnie in her sig: "Don't confuse critical thinking with merely being critical of everything."everything elon says on twitter is just pr to make money. there are already set realistic internal goals that has nothing to do with elon tweets. elon simply makes stuff up for the media and you guys eat it up
Predicting the future, particularly when it comes to software development is impossible. ...
-Jim
If this thread were started by anyone other than the OP I would assume it was parody. Comically bad FUD.
its funny cause I made another thread in December that was vastly ridiculed (including you) yet I was right. I said parity will happen sometime in april and I was right. The next update will bring full parity as I analyzed. Every single post I have made in this forum has been bullseyes. the same can't be said about you on the other hand.
I did a 500+ mile trip with West Wilkes EV Team and Appalachian State Solar Car at an EV Event. AP on 90 percent.You don't having working cruise? I just drove 200 miles on autopilot 2 on 8.1 in an X yesterday.
There's no if ends or buts about this. it doesn't matter the how all it says we will have some kind of fsd features in 3 months. which would mean the completion of eap features.
its already passed 3 months.
It is certainly not late April.