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Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting
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while we wait on the camera upgrade, I suggest we play a game of who can tank their score the lowest. From what I can tell, it might not be as easy as it seems. Yesterday, an idiot in the next lane pull into my lane without looking, I had to do a real hard breaking from 45 to 0. And when I checked my score later, I got a 99 with .4% of hard breaking.
Blitz3RS
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I'm just hoping for some closure in the near-term. Yes, it will probably "buff" in the end with a camera upgrade campaign (just like MCU2 was an offered upgrade). But really what that means is I can just stop caring about my score, and taking ultra slow low-G turns, and staying 8 car lengths back, and no longer fearing yellow lights.
Ultimately, I hope to win on a Friday with service telling me it's not possible, and that I "win" back my car and can drive like a sane human once again.
Knightshade
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Assuming they're just swapping the 2.5+ cameras in, we can't really learn anything.
Unlike HW3, they already buy tons of those for all new vehicles made in the last several years....and the # of cars needing upgrading here will be far smaller as well since there's no 3s involved.
Tesla being terrible at internal service communications and logistics will probably still annoy plenty of folks, but these cameras should not be hard to come by or anything.
And I'm SURE we'll see all the folks who kept denying Tesla has long promised, and has continually kept the promise, of upgrading HW to FSD buyers whenever actually necessary continues to be true admit they were mistaken, right?
BTW, I didn't see it mentioned but I'd estimate a roughly 99.8% chance the camera upgrade includes a rear view mirror upgrade to ADD the interior camera for driver monitoring.
This morning, after getting off work, I was running late to get home and help get the kids to the bus stop. I knew I'd have to drive aggressively to get home on time. I drove "normally" for the first time since whenever Safety Scores came out and just reset MCU when I was a couple miles from home (which worked). It was freeing to drive normally and not worry every time somebody changes into my lane. Sounds like this weekend we will be set free.
I wouldn’t be so sure of this. 2017.5-2021 S and X do not have driver monitoring cameras but do have beta access. I would personally assume Tesla would go the easiest way out and upgrade the exterior cameras to match AP2.5 cars and call it a day so they’re not maintaining another branch of firmware with new features for older cars.
Knightshade
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Why would they need a new branch? New S/X already have interior camera, if they upgrade all the other cams on older cars and add interior cam they can just run the same code.
FalconFour
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I just really, really hope the cameras interface over the same electrical/logical protocol as the 2.5 cameras, as that's the only way it could be feasible. If they're not electrically/protocol compatible (e.g. how the Model 3 touchscreen uses some exotic FP-Link III serialized interface to get the LVDS signal, touch, and power over a single small cable), then oh god, oh my god. The tangled mess... and that'd be why they never did it.
If it is compatible, then wtf are they waiting for - why'd they even install the HW3 computer on top of unusable RCCC cameras? That'd explain why there's no dashcam support, at least... the image would look (to our eyes) like crap. But probably a fairly different-enough data input to trip up the FSD nets...
If it is compatible, then wtf are they waiting for - why'd they even install the HW3 computer on top of unusable RCCC cameras? That'd explain why there's no dashcam support, at least... the image would look (to our eyes) like crap. But probably a fairly different-enough data input to trip up the FSD nets...
Knightshade
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The same reason they installed 2.0 cameras in the first place.
Or HW2.
or HW2.5.
They thought it was good enough for FSD.
Since nobody has ever actually made a working FSD system they had (and still have) no idea how much HW is actually enough.... they won't until they actually have it fully working.
I’m wondering if this is the partial color blind thing (red vs yellow lights)? If so, then pillars and repeaters are fine as is. Only tri camera needs swapping. Or is this a more fundamental hardware driver incompatibility thing? Or a NN training simplification thing? These later two need more than the tri camera.
I expect that they will do the least amount of work required to make the cars compatible.
That being said, if they tell me that only the tri-camera is required, I’m certainly going to ask if they can throw in the pillars and repeaters on my dime, and I hope they would oblige me.
I already had an SC appt for a squeak in my HVAC fan, so I immediately updated my appointment to include Elon’s tweet.
I think some switches need to be flipped on Tesla’s end to recognize the changes but who knows. Thanks for keeping us updated.
But don’t they already have tons of these cameras already produced and ready to go? We are talking about parts that have been in the supply chain since the 2nd half of 2017…
A long time. My fear now is some idiot is going to kill someone while sitting in the back seat making a Youtube video and the gov is going to pull the plug. No soup for you.
Side repeaters in our chrome color might not be stockpiled. Triple cam took 2 weeks to get and that was almost a year ago. Logistics will be a problem that’s for sure. They knew this was a problem for some time. Sure wish they would be pro-active vs reactive.
They can 100% give me the black ones… I already have black wrap on all of my chrome now!
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