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FSD Beta 10.12
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Interesting that Elon says "wide release" to all beta participants is expected later this year. So Tesla is going to wait several months before expanding it to all beta testers? Why wait so long? Is 10.12 single stack or something where they need to do a lot of testing with a limited group?
whoosierdaddy
FSD Supervisor
OncomingStorm
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i'm not getting my hopes up!! haha
also, this guys info seems like it may be suspect but he's been right before...
also, this guys info seems like it may be suspect but he's been right before...
He's never been precise in his language. But this reaches new heights of obfuscation. "[W]ide release to high safety score beta participants" - do FSD beta participants even still have safety scores? I don't seem to have one anymore once the FSD beta firmware was loaded. "Going to all beta participants is expected later this year" - similarly "all beta participants?" Is that everyone currently with beta firmware, everyone who has selected the participation button, everyone who has paid for FSD?
Like many of you have said, however, these tweets and what's released and when seem to have little correlation, so I am certainly not hanging my expectations on Elon's twitterlings. I just watch Teslafi for new releases and release notes.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
FSD Beta testers do not have safety scores after they get accepted into FSD Beta (at least not publicly viewed on the app). So I assume Elon means the safety score they had before they got accepted into the program. Presumably, Elon is trying to say that 10.12 will go out to testers who had a high safety score before they got in. So maybe 10.12 will go to testers who had like 99+ score before they got in. So 10.12 won't go to all FSD Beta testers, just the ones that had like 99+ score before they got in. But Elon should have said "limited release" then. "Wide release" is confusing since it implies a release to a very large number of people. I took "all beta participants is expected to later this year" to mean everybody that has FSD Beta will get 10.12 by the end of this year.
When he says "beta participants," he means all the people who opted in via the UI for FSD-beta.
"High safety score beta participants" are the people who were granted access to FSD-beta after scoring high enough. This current statement does not clarify whether any new people maintaining high scores will be added.
Seems like when this thing goes truly wide "later this year", it will still be on an opt-in basis, although it's hard to imagine why someone wouldn't opt-in if they bought the FSD package. Still, I've met people who bought FSD and had no clue about the FSD-beta program and safety scores.
It takes a weird kind of conspiracy mind to think the tweet was designed to "obfuscate".
Unless they have Tesla insurance in a state other than California. (Actually I think even California Tesla insurance customers have access to the score now, it just doesn't impact their rates.)
Correct, and Texas is a state other than California. Tesla insurance is available in a few states; all of which use the safety score except California.
Yeah it's always hard to make sense of what he's really saying, especially about new testers waiting in the queue. There's never a straightforward answer to that question in spite of how many times it's been asked with different wording.
Optimistic view is that once 10.12 starts rolling out to the existing public testers ("probably" this coming weekend), it will reasonably-quickly (after perhaps a point-release fixup or two) go to new entrants with a "high" safety score from the queue, and the cutoff could even be as low as 95.
Pessimistic view is that 10.12 might reach some current beta testers in a week or two, and the some is the "high safety score beta participants" subset of them that initially enrolled at 99+. New entrants waiting in the queue with high scores remain as they are, probably stuck in limbo until it goes out to every beta button-pusher instantly regardless of score sometime "later this year" (hah), and continuing to play safety score games continues to be pointless but they can't be bothered to let us know that's the case.
There's probably several middling possibilities as well, of course.
Optimistic view is that once 10.12 starts rolling out to the existing public testers ("probably" this coming weekend), it will reasonably-quickly (after perhaps a point-release fixup or two) go to new entrants with a "high" safety score from the queue, and the cutoff could even be as low as 95.
Pessimistic view is that 10.12 might reach some current beta testers in a week or two, and the some is the "high safety score beta participants" subset of them that initially enrolled at 99+. New entrants waiting in the queue with high scores remain as they are, probably stuck in limbo until it goes out to every beta button-pusher instantly regardless of score sometime "later this year" (hah), and continuing to play safety score games continues to be pointless but they can't be bothered to let us know that's the case.
There's probably several middling possibilities as well, of course.
I think it's pretty safe to say that he meant to say "people in queue"
There's no way after saying new people down to 95 would get in a few weeks ago he now means only some of the existing base is a "wide rollout"
There's no way after saying new people down to 95 would get in a few weeks ago he now means only some of the existing base is a "wide rollout"
kozakurayuua
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Hope I could get it soon. I have already stayed at 100 for a long while. I drive like a grandmom every day which I really don't like.
wknickless
Member
I'm reading it as "high safety score beta participants" == "drivers who achieved a high safety score as a precondition to their participation."
This thread provides further proof of how screwed up Twitter is under current ownership/management. Under the new Twitter ownership/management, the plain meaning of all Tweets will be intuitively obvious.
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