Daniel in SD
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Do "not bad" drivers regularly get honked at? I guess it all depends on the frame of reference. It's way better than Smart Summon.It's not bad either.
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Do "not bad" drivers regularly get honked at? I guess it all depends on the frame of reference. It's way better than Smart Summon.It's not bad either.
Agreed, it is neither.It's not aggressive.
Where I live old ladies get honked at for driving under the speed limit, so I'm not that thin skinned to honking.Do "not bad" drivers regularly get honked at? I guess it all depends on the frame of reference. It's way better than Smart Summon.
Thanks Alan…..I haven’t watched and usually don’t watch the YouTuber vids on each release and this has been no exception.It seems to have stability problems and such. And I don’t mean the stability issues caused by the car rocking wildly in response to steering inputs (those will remain when the updated version is released). The early beta recipients have not had much to gloat about. Seems like just another release with restructuring under the hood and some incremental improvements here and there.
And routinely FSD Beta will do exactly that - it slows down and becomes "timid" (for lack of a better word) when other cars make aggressive lane changes, or sudden right turns in front of you, etc. An aggressive driver may just swerve around the right turning car, not really slowing down much. That would, in turn, cause the people in the next left lane to alter their behavior for the guy swerving into their lane, which creates ripples of minor course corrections. It's also where humans tend to get into accidents. Does it suck for the guy behind me when my car slows down rapidly in response to the guy turning right in front of me? Yes. Does it suck for the guy in the lane next to me when my car doesn't swerve out into their lane to "get around" the guy in turning? Nope.Agreed, it is neither.
Assertive is probably a better word for what we’re talking about, but in any case aggressive/assertive driving and defensive driving are not mutually exclusive. A key characteristic of defensive driving is anticipating incorrect behavior by other drivers.
But yeah, neither.
That’s reacting, not anticipating. Not defensive driving.And routinely FSD Beta will do exactly that - it slows down and becomes "timid" (for lack of a better word) when other cars make aggressive lane changes, or sudden right turns in front of you, etc.
I agree, but many people here would disagree with you. "Stupid FSD slowed down for no reason!" When in fact, FSD was anticipating that a car was going to make a sudden right turn and slowed down to compensate. However, the car didn't turn right. So, who's right and who's wrong? Is it better that FSD anticipate and start slowing for a car it thinks make be making a sudden right turn? That's going to piss some people off. Or is it better to only react when the person is actually making the sudden right turn, but then have to brake a harder? That's going to piss some people off.That’s reacting, not anticipating.
The better course of action is to anticipate so no direct reaction is necessary. E.g., no need to slow down when that car turns in front of you (you already slowed down because you knew it would happen); no need to react to someone not yielding to oncoming traffic (this one is usually easy to see coming well in advance), etc.
How many new teenage drivers get honked at if they don't have a "student driver" placard on the car? FSD is improving but is still cautious and slow, exactly what I expect it to be like.Do "not bad" drivers regularly get honked at? I guess it all depends on the frame of reference. It's way better than Smart Summon.
I would argue that the bigger problem that upsets people in this case is that it uses the brakes (!!!) or heavy regen to slow down. Because it is inexplicably not anticipating or reacting appropriately or fast enough. Needs to react fast, so it doesn’t need to make any sudden changes.I agree, but many people here would disagree with you. "Stupid FSD slowed down for no reason!" When in fact, FSD was anticipating that a car was going to make a sudden right turn and slowed down to compensate. However, the car didn't turn right. So, who's right and who's wrong? Is it better that FSD anticipate and start slowing for a car it thinks make be making a sudden right turn? That's going to piss some people off. Or is it better to only react when the person is actually making the sudden right turn, but then have to brake a harder? That's going to piss some people off.
Something about a head, a nail, and hitting it comes to mind.The ironic thing is I see so many people protesting that they "have to drive like a grandma" to get a good safety score to try and get in the FSD beta program, but if they get in they'll be driving like a grandma!
I use accelerator override a lot and set target speed high to avoid this problem. Just have to be careful on sharp corners, since the planner likes to slalom if the speed is too high.but if they get in they'll be driving like a grandma!
Again, you and I agree on many points. Anticipating is a human intuition, and as such it's sometimes wrong. Computers don't have human intuition (or "gut feeling"). You and I may have a "gut feeling" that the guy on your left "really wants to be in my lane, and is likely going to try to cut me off". And in many cases, it happens. The computer doesn't know that, and it's likely going to be a long time, if ever, that a computer has enough AI to simulate human intuition. So how will FSD handle that case? The guy will speed up and cut you off, as you "knew he would", and FSD will brake hard in reaction.I would argue that the bigger problem that upsets people in this case is that it uses the brakes (!!!) or heavy regen to slow down. Because it is inexplicably not anticipating or reacting appropriately or fast enough. Needs to react fast, so it doesn’t need to make any sudden changes.
The guy will speed up and cut you off, as you "knew he would", and FSD will brake hard in reaction.
Computers don't have human intuition (or "gut feeling").
To be fair, most of the honking is of the "hurry up" type not the "wtf are you doing?" type.Do "not bad" drivers regularly get honked at? I guess it all depends on the frame of reference. It's way better than Smart Summon.
Right, which is why we say that AP DOES count towards your score...it counts positively. The best way to raise your score is drive 100% of the time in AP.AP does not count toward score. I drive with AP on streets and freeways. AP will brake for you with no drop in score.
Anticipating is a pretty tall order for FSD or any AI system. Not only do humans often have trouble but it's depending on regional driving styles and even time of day. I wouldn't expect that from any driving system any time soon.That’s reacting, not anticipating. Not defensive driving.
The better course of action is to anticipate so no direct reaction is necessary. E.g., no need to slow down when that car turns in front of you (you already slowed down because you knew it would happen); no need to react to someone not yielding to oncoming traffic (this one is usually easy to see coming well in advance), etc.
Looking forward to when FSD can do this and start bringing down the not-at-fault accident rate (a key metric).
Neither do I. But as I said, have to start with actually doing a good job without incorporating anticipation. Currently it’s unacceptable for any passenger.Anticipating is a pretty tall order for FSD or any AI system. Not only do humans often have trouble but it's depending on regional driving styles and even time of day. I wouldn't expect that from any driving system any time soon.
Define "timely" in a way that's acceptable to all people. What I consider "timely" is not the same as what you may consider it.This is a problem. Won’t be acceptable.
Human intuition is based on subtle cues provided by other drivers’ speed/acceleration/jerk profile, their historical use of signals, their ability to maintain their lane, their wheel position, etc. There’s no reason to think that a computer could not (at some point) incorporate these cues and make judgements about future behaviors and position the vehicle accordingly out of harm’s way.
For now I’d settle for it sensing and responding to other vehicles in a timely manner though. No need for anticipation there. Have not yet optimized the case with no anticipation/intuition.