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FSD Beta 10.13
- Thread starter Todd Burch
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I have it and use it almost all the time, (when I’m driving alone. It terrifies passengers when it swerves, phantom brakes or Screams a red steering wheel warning about nothing at all.) 90% of the time it’s fine. Even though I have to remain alert and occasionally causes a high blood pressure moment, overall it is more comforting to let FSD do the driving than doing it all myself.
This is a good point, but it also illustrates another problem with the FSD Beta. We're not told what process the reports go through.
It's just this opaque process where you have no idea if what you report is being interpreted correctly or how long its even saved for.
What I do believe based on what I've read is Tesla will setup triggers to capture video clips its interested in. Even people that never hit the report data were seeing a ton of data being sent back.
They also didn't make the report button all that big which didn't help matters.
I think they would have been much better off actively pruning the amount of testers, and engaging with them more. Instead they took a very slow, and passive approach. It's only really gotten exciting now that 10.13 is pending which has first real challenge.
I still have serious reservations with the current 10.12 and the lack of front bumper side view cameras.
As someone who previously owned an Audi with front left, center, right as well as the same for rear along with side mirror cameras the front (and rear) bumper side facing cameras are godsend in urban areas with single lane streets (and alleys) with buildings without corner windows pushed out to the sidewalk and tall SUV’s and trucks parked illegally into the intersecting driveway. The only way to get out is to BLINDLY enter oncoming traffic, slowly. EXCEPT I can’t keep track of the number of times beta has (faster than I would) pull out into the first lane and STOP in front of oncoming traffic instead of proceeding where other lanes are clear. If oncoming traffix had not stopped or I had quickly not taken over and gone back or forward I would have been hit.
Likewise I don’t know how many times the car has tried to proceed through red lights that are right after a turn due to offset double intersections. Or how many times it has approached a red light for a left turn and it’s tried to go through the light, over and over. Sometimes it looks like it thinks it’s a flashing red briefly but doesn’t stop and go it just thinks there is no red when it clearly shows on the screen.
Ack!
Pretty much every week beta tries to kill me, if I were to let it. But we need to continue down this path. Eventually, we’re going to get to a point that it’s better, much better. At which point it will do things we can’t and be safer than above average or excellent drivers.
As someone who previously owned an Audi with front left, center, right as well as the same for rear along with side mirror cameras the front (and rear) bumper side facing cameras are godsend in urban areas with single lane streets (and alleys) with buildings without corner windows pushed out to the sidewalk and tall SUV’s and trucks parked illegally into the intersecting driveway. The only way to get out is to BLINDLY enter oncoming traffic, slowly. EXCEPT I can’t keep track of the number of times beta has (faster than I would) pull out into the first lane and STOP in front of oncoming traffic instead of proceeding where other lanes are clear. If oncoming traffix had not stopped or I had quickly not taken over and gone back or forward I would have been hit.
Likewise I don’t know how many times the car has tried to proceed through red lights that are right after a turn due to offset double intersections. Or how many times it has approached a red light for a left turn and it’s tried to go through the light, over and over. Sometimes it looks like it thinks it’s a flashing red briefly but doesn’t stop and go it just thinks there is no red when it clearly shows on the screen.
Ack!
Pretty much every week beta tries to kill me, if I were to let it. But we need to continue down this path. Eventually, we’re going to get to a point that it’s better, much better. At which point it will do things we can’t and be safer than above average or excellent drivers.
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Bill Foster
I'm going home!
Yea…. Agree.
Other thing that I find interesting is that my car uploads about 90 gigs per day to Tesla……. But if I dont Hit the record button or hit it 10 times.. it’s always 90 gigs
Are you sure about that number? That would be 2.7TB of data a month. Many residential ISPs have data caps which would be destroyed by that amount. I'm not saying it doesn't upload, that just seems like a lot.
Probably 90gigaBITS = 9 gigaBYTES
My car averages around 3 gigaBYTES/day with a high of around 5GB/day over the last month with daily use of FSD Beta 10.13
See purple line in graph-
Bill Foster
I'm going home!
That would be 11.25GB (GigaBytes). Regardless of that though, who even measures anything in bits other than speed and colors?
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Still working on it! No reason to release an update with known bugs.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
(More or less simultaneous duplicate of above…)
Unclear if there will be more drone surveillance:
I am very happy they are not releasing it, since to some extent that demonstrates that I effectively won the bet. And it is also good. Looking forward to flawless and incredibly repeatable unprotected lefts.
Unclear if there will be more drone surveillance:
Anyway, still not working. I definitely should have added a time limit to the bet, though obviously I can back out at any time.
I am very happy they are not releasing it, since to some extent that demonstrates that I effectively won the bet. And it is also good. Looking forward to flawless and incredibly repeatable unprotected lefts.
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Patience. Worrying when 10.13 will be released isn't good for the health
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Did people see this a few days ago? Apparently from an internal 10.13 tester. Seems to be planning pretty far out, which feels like a good sign. Fingers crossed that will help with lane selection for upcoming turns 
How’s that different from previous releases though
Did people see this a few days ago? Apparently from an internal 10.13 tester. Seems to be planning pretty far out, which feels like a good sign. Fingers crossed that will help with lane selection for upcoming turns
Yes. Notes for 10.13 says that route planning projects farther out now. Or at least shows further out. Not sure if it processes further or just shows it more.
But route planning and directions list don't always agree anyway. Heck route planning likes to flip flop routes, even when sitting at a red light.
this is the adult version of "are we there yet?"
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