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Thats what I'd expect. They don't want people to wait for HW4.Agreed again... there was no excitement when discussing HW4..it was very matter of fact
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Thats what I'd expect. They don't want people to wait for HW4.Agreed again... there was no excitement when discussing HW4..it was very matter of fact
Unless they have a Cybertruck on order.Thats what I'd expect. They don't want people to wait for HW4.
Unless they have a Cybertruck on order.
Presumably this means that when the human is driving, the car with FSDb turned on will be 3x safer (with the human driving, as mentioned) than a typical human driving without FSDb turned on (and no other assists - this could start becoming a moving target if they don’t hurry!).
But no one knows for sure. Also not clear that this is possible since you may hit a limit due to driver no longer driving even though that is not the design intent.
I'm not sure if that's the "final" goal as opposed to 3x safer without a human driving. Tesla's Vehicle Safety Report for 2022 Q3 shows: "we recorded one crash for every 6.26 million miles driven in which drivers were using Autopilot technology. For drivers who were not using Autopilot technology, we recorded one crash for every 1.71 million miles driven." Where that data shows 3.7x safety of human + Autopilot compared to just human (driving a Tesla).Presumably this means that when the human is driving, the car with FSDb turned on will be 3x safer (with the human driving, as mentioned) than a typical human driving without FSDb turned on
I'm not sure if that's the "final" goal as opposed to 3x safer without a human driving. Tesla's Vehicle Safety Report for 2022 Q3 shows: "we recorded one crash for every 6.26 million miles driven in which drivers were using Autopilot technology. For drivers who were not using Autopilot technology, we recorded one crash for every 1.71 million miles driven." Where that data shows 3.7x safety of human + Autopilot compared to just human (driving a Tesla).
Yes, FSD Beta data on city streets is different than general Autopilot, but when Tesla releases FSD Beta 11 single stack, presumably they're matching the existing safety on highways. So I think Tesla's goal is to keep trying to improve safety of FSD Beta on HW3 such as reaching 10x safer with a human so that it can also be 3x safer even without a driver.
So it looks like there will be 2 different groups of employee working on each hardware.As per the earnings call, looks like there will be no upgrade option for hw3 to hw4.
They made it sound like hw3 will get there and do the job at around 2 to 3 times safer than us humans. Hw4 will be 4 to 5 times safer. I am paraphrasing but that was the jist. They said the upgrade would be too costly and labor intensive.
I wonder why Tesla bother announcing HW4 and cause sales issue. (Osborne effect)Thats what I'd expect. They don't want people to wait for HW4.
If hw4 doesn't come with better cameras and possibly more, like 2 near the headlights, I would be unimpressedI wonder why Tesla bother announcing HW4 and cause sales issue. (Osborne effect)
From Teslascope: "They also mentioned new autopilot hardware is still under active development and that the goal of "HW4" is primarily focused on improving efficiency and cost savings. They did not comment upon what other benefits the new hardware provides and/or external camera changes."
They’ll put the best engineers on HW3 since that’s the more challenging problem.So it looks like there will be 2 different groups of employee working on each hardware.
What a debacle. The bloom is really off the rose now.They’ll put the best engineers on HW3 since that’s the more challenging problem.
True, but not yet, hw4 hasn't been put in any cars yet that we know ofWhat a debacle. The bloom is really off the rose now.
The doubters have emerged victorious.
back to Twain “it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”True, but not yet, hw4 hasn't been put in any cars yet that we know of
If it doesn't come with a drone that will do reconnaissance, I'll be disappointed. JKIf hw4 doesn't come with better cameras and possibly more, like 2 near the headlights, I would be unimpressed
Tesla can put HW4 in Optimus. It will sit in your lap, no retrofit required. Never doubt Elon.What a debacle. The bloom is really off the rose now.
The doubters have emerged victorious.
Going to have to get a LOT better looking if it is going to sit in my lap.Tesla can put HW4 in Optimus. It will sit in your lap, no retrofit required. Never doubt Elon.
That's nothing.If it doesn't come with a drone that will do reconnaissance, I'll be disappointed.
Even RT is an issue. My Tesla tries to go to the middle lane first then immediately shift to the slow lane upon turning. What???I be only had my M3 car Since December I don’t have a lot of experience with FSD. I live in Texas where suburban sprawls are the norm. Huge 6 lane city streets with multiple turning lanes and tons of ULTs. I usually have to take control 9 out of 10 trips I take. The top 3 reasons for this are:
1) Lane Selection. Ie… Staying in the far left lane when you need to make a right turn in less than 1/2 mile on a busy 40-50mph road doesn’t work well
2) Phantom Breaking and the timing of it is a huge safety concern. There are many times when the car brakes after making a turn with people right behind me. It scares the crap out of me and I have to scramble to accelerate to avoid being rear ended. This happens ALL the time for me.
3) sometimes I think the car “Crawls” just becusse it’s the right thing to do. But I’m not sure it’s actually looking for on coming traffic. I’ve had multiple instances(one today) where I am making a right turn on Red and on coming traffic has the green arrow to make a left. The car would crawl, crawl, crawl, and by the time it decides to make the turn the oncoming traffic is already in the process of making their turn. Had to disengage to avoid side swiping a car or two. Not fun
I tried making an ULT once…… ONCE. I won’t do that again. Scared the crap out of me.
Yes Im one of the hopeful souls that feel v11 is the answer. I think we all hope it is. I guess we will soon find out.
The other outcome is Tesla actually improves the use of HW3 to the point FSD works really well. One can hope right?What a debacle. The bloom is really off the rose now.
The doubters have emerged victorious.
This is great news, Musk is in Texas now so maybe he can experience this himself on all his FSD drives, and fix all these issues since he says his car drives like its L5.I be only had my M3 car Since December I don’t have a lot of experience with FSD. I live in Texas where suburban sprawls are the norm. Huge 6 lane city streets with multiple turning lanes and tons of ULTs. I usually have to take control 9 out of 10 trips I take. The top 3 reasons for this are:
1) Lane Selection. Ie… Staying in the far left lane when you need to make a right turn in less than 1/2 mile on a busy 40-50mph road doesn’t work well
2) Phantom Breaking and the timing of it is a huge safety concern. There are many times when the car brakes after making a turn with people right behind me. It scares the crap out of me and I have to scramble to accelerate to avoid being rear ended. This happens ALL the time for me.
3) sometimes I think the car “Crawls” just becusse it’s the right thing to do. But I’m not sure it’s actually looking for on coming traffic. I’ve had multiple instances(one today) where I am making a right turn on Red and on coming traffic has the green arrow to make a left. The car would crawl, crawl, crawl, and by the time it decides to make the turn the oncoming traffic is already in the process of making their turn. Had to disengage to avoid side swiping a car or two. Not fun
I tried making an ULT once…… ONCE. I won’t do that again. Scared the crap out of me.
Yes Im one of the hopeful souls that feel v11 is the answer. I think we all hope it is. I guess we will soon find out.