FSD Beta v11.x

AlanSubie4Life · Dec 5, 2022

Mardak said:
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how much gets revealed as part of early access testing of FSD Beta 11 vs held back for the holiday update.

You are all incredibly optimistic about a release which is quite significant and has only been testing significantly in the wild for less than a month!

Unless Tesla lowers the quality bar substantially, or makes this an optional update (for example a toggle to enable/disable FSDb stack on freeways), I don’t see a v11 release happening as a Christmas update.

Supcom · Dec 5, 2022

AlanSubie4Life said:
You are all incredibly optimistic about a release which is quite significant and has only been testing significantly in the wild for less than a month!

Unless Tesla lowers the quality bar substantially, or makes this an optional update (for example a toggle to enable/disable FSDb stack on freeways), I don’t see a v11 release happening as a Christmas update.

It's certainly getting close to deadlines to release 11.X to us masses, given that we see no indications of it going out to any early testers with less than a month to the end of the year. For something that Elon kept downplaying as not being that important, single-stack sure looks to be more difficult than expected. But then, everything about self driving is harder than expected! It sure would be interesting to know what the roadblocks are.

kylinblue · Dec 6, 2022

Do not upgrade your car to 2022.44.x

willow_hiller · Dec 6, 2022

Until I see them pull up the Software screen and show 2022.40+, I'm skeptical that we're actually viewing FSD Beta V11 here.

There are a few sections of highway around me that choose to remain on FSD Beta for about 1.5 km before switching over to NOA. I think the most likely explanation of this video is that this guy has found about a 2-4 km (notice how short his clips are) stretch of highway that 10.69.3 will drive on, and it labeling it as V11 to get more YouTube views.

EVNow · Dec 6, 2022

willow_hiller said:
Until I see them pull up the Software screen and show 2022.40+, I'm skeptical that we're actually viewing FSD Beta V11 here.

There are a few sections of highway around me that choose to remain on FSD Beta for about 1.5 km before switching over to NOA. I think the most likely explanation of this video is that this guy has found about a 2-4 km (notice how short his clips are) stretch of highway that 10.69.3 will drive on, and it labeling it as V11 to get more YouTube views.

Possibly .... I've deleted my post, until confirmation.

Also, the chances of V11 in Canada are low ...

Mardak · Dec 6, 2022

AlanSubie4Life said:
has only been testing significantly in the wild for less than a month

In some sense, FSD Beta 11 single stack has been in testing for over a year:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1436674339831750660

The Autopilot team knew the goal was to get FSD Beta polished enough to be better than production Navigate on Autopiot, and if you look closely at the many 10.x release notes, there are definitely entries that are in preparation for interstate highway driving. The release notes specifically for FSD Beta 11 are basically all focused on highway driving as a final set of polish on top of the many existing months of polishing and testing. So yes, the new items for 11 have not been tested in the wild as much and might have introduced new regressions or potentially still not yet enough polish to be better than the existing stack.

Interesting that Tesla is deploying a FSD Beta 10.69.3.2 / 2022.40.4.5 just weeks before a potential FSD Beta 11 wide release as part of the holiday update. It could be to collect better data in shadow mode to train single stack, but it indeed is cutting it close with less than 3 weeks left for a timely holiday update.

I would guess Tesla's top priority for the rest of this year is FSD wide release where what has been Safety Score "early access" testing is eliminated and replaced with a standard toggle in the main production vehicle software even for MCU1 vehicles (with RCCB cameras). So FSD Beta 11 / single stack highway driving would be pushed to 2023 if they need to focus on one goal.

AlanSubie4Life · Dec 6, 2022

Mardak said:
So yes, the new items for 11 have not been tested in the wild as much and might have introduced new regressions or potentially still not yet enough polish to be better than the existing stack.

Yeah seems like a lot. Just seems really fast at this point to get a rollout done by end of the year that is clean, and useful, without a “please disable this garbage immediately” toggle available.

They’ll get single stack soon just not sure whether it is going to be packaged up with a nice bow before end of the year.

Mardak said:
I would guess Tesla's top priority for the rest of this year is FSD wide release where what has been Safety Score "early access" testing is eliminated and replaced with a standard toggle in the main production vehicle software even for MCU1 vehicles (

I agree. Probably higher priority than single stack, for short term.

Mardak · Dec 6, 2022

Sounds like some employees are also wondering why they are getting 10.69.3.2 yesterday/today instead of single stack FSD Beta 11.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600304477117915136

I suppose good thing they held back some of those "employee FSD" group (B) to test this last(?) iteration of 10.69 so it can go through the usual testing before "actually early access" then "safety score testers." And after wide release of 10.69.3.2 this week, the rest of the employees can join (A) to get FSD Beta 11 next week.

Here's a more visual potential roadmap for the various groups and their future assuming FSD Beta 11 is ready for the holiday update:

Code:

Internal/Alpha: [-------------------- 11 --------------------] [----- 11.1 -----] [---- 11.2 -----]
Employee FSD A: [ 10.69.3.1 ] [------------- 11 -------------] [ holiday update ] [ moved to EAP -]
Employee FSD B: [-- 10.69.3.1 --] [ 10.69.3.2 ] [---- 11 ----] [ holiday update ] [ moved to EAP -]
"Actually" EAP: [---- 10.69.3.1 ----] [-- 10.69.3.2 --] [ 11 ] [ holiday update ] [---- 11.1 -----]
"Safety Score": [-------- 10.69.3.1 --------] [- 10.69.3.2 --] [ holiday update ] [ moved to prod ]
Prod. Software: [--------------- no FSD beta ----------------] [ holiday update ] [- future prod -]

Supcom · Dec 7, 2022

Mardak said:
Sounds like some employees are also wondering why they are getting 10.69.3.2 yesterday/today instead of single stack FSD Beta 11.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1600304477117915136

I suppose good thing they held back some of those "employee FSD" group (B) to test this last(?) iteration of 10.69 so it can go through the usual testing before "actually early access" then "safety score testers." And after wide release of 10.69.3.2 this week, the rest of the employees can join (A) to get FSD Beta 11 next week.

Here's a more visual potential roadmap for the various groups and their future assuming FSD Beta 11 is ready for the holiday update:

Code:

Internal/Alpha: [-------------------- 11 --------------------] [----- 11.1 -----] [---- 11.2 -----] Employee FSD A: [ 10.69.3.1 ] [------------- 11 -------------] [ holiday update ] [ moved to EAP -] Employee FSD B: [-- 10.69.3.1 --] [ 10.69.3.2 ] [---- 11 ----] [ holiday update ] [ moved to EAP -] "Actually" EAP: [---- 10.69.3.1 ----] [-- 10.69.3.2 --] [ 11 ] [ holiday update ] [---- 11.1 -----] "Safety Score": [-------- 10.69.3.1 --------] [- 10.69.3.2 --] [ holiday update ] [ moved to prod ] Prod. Software: [--------------- no FSD beta ----------------] [ holiday update ] [- future prod -]

It looks like Tesla is coming to accept that single-stack is not going to make it to the public by the end of the year. They are simply running out of time to push it out to the early testers, get back data from widespread testing, produce a new version, etc. So, they are implementing a Plan B. Tweak up 10.69.3.2 to smooth over some of its rough edges and release to all FSD cars by the end of the year, hopefully in the holiday release.

If FSDb 11 was still on track for delivery this year, there would be no need to work 10.69.3.2. It would be out for only a week or two before being replaced. That would take a lot of effort for very little return. And, it splits the FSD development team, taking away resources from FSDb 11.

tivoboy · Dec 7, 2022

Mardak said:
Sounds like some employees are also wondering why they are getting 10.69.3.2 yesterday/today instead of single stack FSD Beta 11.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1600304477117915136

I suppose good thing they held back some of those "employee FSD" group (B) to test this last(?) iteration of 10.69 so it can go through the usual testing before "actually early access" then "safety score testers." And after wide release of 10.69.3.2 this week, the rest of the employees can join (A) to get FSD Beta 11 next week.

Here's a more visual potential roadmap for the various groups and their future assuming FSD Beta 11 is ready for the holiday update:

Code:

Internal/Alpha: [-------------------- 11 --------------------] [----- 11.1 -----] [---- 11.2 -----] Employee FSD A: [ 10.69.3.1 ] [------------- 11 -------------] [ holiday update ] [ moved to EAP -] Employee FSD B: [-- 10.69.3.1 --] [ 10.69.3.2 ] [---- 11 ----] [ holiday update ] [ moved to EAP -] "Actually" EAP: [---- 10.69.3.1 ----] [-- 10.69.3.2 --] [ 11 ] [ holiday update ] [---- 11.1 -----] "Safety Score": [-------- 10.69.3.1 --------] [- 10.69.3.2 --] [ holiday update ] [ moved to prod ] Prod. Software: [--------------- no FSD beta ----------------] [ holiday update ] [- future prod -]

That’s a great little GAANT/TIMELINE/MILESTONE chart on the bottom. I know it’s not real or accurate with much data to back it up, but assuming one could look to it for some insight, WHERE would one who is a. 1+ year FSDb tester, who gets each update within about 24-48 hours, put their category?

Is it EE FSD A, B or Safety Score?

AlanSubie4Life · Dec 7, 2022

Mardak said:
Here's a more visual potential roadmap for the various groups and their future assuming FSD Beta 11 is ready for the holiday update:

Clinging to hope! Not much time now.

Supcom · Dec 7, 2022

FSDb 11 will not make the holiday update. Not enough time to go through a couple releases before a mass rollout. Tesla is implementing Plan B and preparing a tweaked 10.69.3.2 (or even 10.69.3.3) for release to all FSD cars.

AlanSubie4Life · Dec 7, 2022

Supcom said:
Tesla is implementing Plan B

More like Plan A, tbh.

Joboo7777 · Dec 8, 2022

I just took delivery on a 2023 Model 3 LR and the software version is v11 as show in attached pic. Is this the latest FSD beta that everyone is talking about on this thread? Sorry if this is a trivial question, just trying to gain a better understanding of what I have.

momo3605 · Dec 8, 2022

Joboo7777 said:
I just took delivery on a 2023 Model 3 LR and the software version is v11 as show in attached pic. Is this the latest FSD beta that everyone is talking about on this thread? Sorry if this is a trivial question, just trying to gain a better understanding of what I have.

No, this is UI version 11 released for all Teslas last year. FSD beta v11 is different. You won’t see that until you’ve been accepted into the beta program

MarcG · Dec 9, 2022

momo3605 said:
No, this is UI version 11 released for all Teslas last year. FSD beta v11 is different. You won’t see that until you’ve been accepted into the beta program

Tesla vehicles coming out of the factory usually have 3-digit numbers after the second decimal.

FSD beta v11 is not out to the public yet. We’re still on 10.69.3.x

bbeashore21 · Dec 9, 2022

As someone with a HW3 non-FSD M3, at some point will there be a software update for all cars (not just FSD) to update the visualization level of detail that is currently seen in the FSD beta? It's not a huge difference, and will make no difference performance wise, but it does have a little more visual interest!

Dewg · Dec 9, 2022

bbeashore21 said:
As someone with a HW3 non-FSD M3, at some point will there be a software update for all cars (not just FSD) to update the visualization level of detail that is currently seen in the FSD beta? It's not a huge difference, and will make no difference performance wise, but it does have a little more visual interest!

It's actually a huge difference - the amount of detail the car sees and displays is impressive compared to the standard AP stack. The AP stack is reported to only use a few cameras vs the FSD Beta stack which uses all 8 cameras. I remember when FSD Beta was enabled on my car, I was instantly blown away, especially when I zoomed out.

bbeashore21 · Dec 9, 2022

Dewg said:
It's actually a huge difference - the amount of detail the car sees and displays is impressive compared to the standard AP stack. The AP stack is reported to only use a few cameras vs the FSD Beta stack which uses all 8 cameras. I remember when FSD Beta was enabled on my car, I was instantly blown away, especially when I zoomed out.

Well now I *really* hope they give all of that info (stack? new lingo for me there..) to us non-FSD folk! Maybe I was just subconsciously downplaying it for myself to not feel bad

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Joboo7777 · Dec 9, 2022

So if I wanted to request access to beta version there would be a button that I would click to request it? If so where would I find the button in the settings?

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