I’m not sure that’s a “slight mist”, but yeah wipers still aren’t perfect. Infinitely better for me than they were a year or so ago, however.
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Couple new beta testers posting their first videos. Glad to see someone from Illinois now. Will be interesting when we actually get snow here (and the other midwest states).
My vote goes to @n.one.one to be included in the beta group as reward for keeping this thread up-to-date!
My vote goes to @n.one.one to be included in the beta group as reward for keeping this thread up-to-date!
Yea would love to see an Atlanta Tesla represented. We have sooooo many on the roads. Kim from Like Tesla was one of the original Tesla Youtubers and might have got it but she decided to change her channel a couple of years ago.
Agreed! This thread is a treasure trove of information and it take a lot of time to keep up with all the videos!
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Apologies if this video has already been posted but it gives a good review of FSD Beta, both the good and the bad:
Which videos and uploads do you believe Tesla's Development staff is most interested in? The straight word drives or the edge cases?
For me I'm much more interested in seeing edge cases when a new beta build comes out since that seems to be the best way to determine progress or lack of progress.
Regular drives have almost become boring with the continued improvement so keep those edge cases coming
I agree that the videos that focus on something specific (left turns, roundabouts, etc.), and edit properly seem to be the most useful at this stage. It's a shame that the today's construction focused video from Tesla Raj was on a previous release. I hope he does that again on a current release.Which videos and uploads do you believe Tesla's Development staff is most interested in? The straight word drives or the edge cases?
For me I'm much more interested in seeing edge cases when a new beta build comes out since that seems to be the best way to determine progress or lack of progress.
Regular drives have almost become boring with the continued improvement so keep those edge cases coming
Thanks for the nice thought. I'm doing this because it's really interesting, which means it doesn't feel like work.
I doubt the Tesla engineers are spending hours watching youtube videos. I think they see enough videos uploaded from the vehicles from all cameras which is a lot more useful than a camera mounted inside the vehicle. The labellers will classify interventions and they get some statistical overview of what is the most common reasons for interventions with some severity added to them and then they make decision on where to focus their work and what data to request from the data engine.Which videos and uploads do you believe Tesla's Development staff is most interested in? The straight word drives or the edge cases?
For me I'm much more interested in seeing edge cases when a new beta build comes out since that seems to be the best way to determine progress or lack of progress.
Regular drives have almost become boring with the continued improvement so keep those edge cases coming
That wasn't the question I asked. Do you believe Tesla FSD developers are more interested in plain drives or edge cases?
Dan Detweiler
Active Member
Personally, I don't think they are watching these videos at all except to verify behavior patters they detect from their data. The cars are sending them all the pertinent data at all times in a format they can immediately use. They don't need to interpret a video to figure it out.
No source, no proof, just my gut feelings in the matter.
Dan
EVNow
Well-Known Member
They will look for "edge cases" since plain drive examples are easy to get (they get it when they drive the cars themselves). Infact edge cases are oversampled when they train NN.
Hmm, 9 disagrees for my post urging caution
and 6 likes for the post saying "There will always be accidents and deaths"
I know what you're saying that this is a Beta product, and as such it takes time, experimentation, accidents and feedback to improve the system. Hopefully you may also see my side which is nobody else on the road has agreed to this.
I'm really on your side, as if people had stopped Uber from their poor safety practices in Arizona there may not have been the first fatality, and Uber suffering business losses. Uber has now improved their safety based on all the NTSB recommendations. Why did it take that disaster to take the steps that were needed from the outset. Tesla is taking risks and I'm pointing them out.
edit: Uber, not Waymo
edit2: I'm curious why people press disagree. To which point?
and 6 likes for the post saying "There will always be accidents and deaths"
I know what you're saying that this is a Beta product, and as such it takes time, experimentation, accidents and feedback to improve the system. Hopefully you may also see my side which is nobody else on the road has agreed to this.
I'm really on your side, as if people had stopped Uber from their poor safety practices in Arizona there may not have been the first fatality, and Uber suffering business losses. Uber has now improved their safety based on all the NTSB recommendations. Why did it take that disaster to take the steps that were needed from the outset. Tesla is taking risks and I'm pointing them out.
edit: Uber, not Waymo
edit2: I'm curious why people press disagree. To which point?
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Dan Detweiler
Active Member
Do you feel like there WON'T always be accidents, no matter how advanced the system?
Dan
powertoold
Active Member
Dan D. is one of those cancel culture types. One fatality with Autopilot, ban it.
We understand your concern, but your solution isn't practical.
And yes, Tesla is taking a (calculated) risk here. Time will tell if they've correctly assessed it.
We understand your concern, but your solution isn't practical.
And yes, Tesla is taking a (calculated) risk here. Time will tell if they've correctly assessed it.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
This is a silly straw man argument. Everyone agrees there will be accidents. Safety is relative. Would releasing beta FSD to everyone improve road safety or not?
I don't think it would though I have to admit I have a morbid curiosity. I can't really figure out what Tesla is up to. They could have easily found all these bugs in internal testing so it seems like there are two possibilities. This is mostly a marketing stunt or they're evaluating how well normal drivers can monitor the system (some can, some terrify me).
It is my opinion they've taken the guard rails off to train the NN during beta and will turn them back on for the wider release. For example there could've been a hard coded never go into an oncoming lane. The NN would never learn that's usually a no-no if it never got the opportunity to get corrected when it makes that decision. If you have a fence around your fireplace, your toddler will never learn to not touch the fire.
DanCar
Active Member
Nobody agrees to be hit by a drunk driver but it happens, perhaps every night. Nobody agrees to be a victim of road rage, but it happens.
Driving is dangerous. You can't remove the danger for the most part.
Driverless promises many advantages. To take the ultra paranoid approach that, oh my gosh somebody could die, even though it is a unlikely, is ridiculous. People are dying everyday. We should take steps to accelerate this technology, not slow it down as your posts suggest.
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