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so they pick 78-100 people out of ~250k people with the FSD package and those 70-100 people somehow includes almost every single famous Tesla Superfan? seriously? You don't see that and the problem with it
The objective people Iwatch are DirtyTesla, AI Addict and Frenchie... I'm sure there are more like Chuck, etc. But yeah there are not alot.
There have been studies that show your ability to pay attention is lowered while having a conversation. But also when you do a live stream you are also trying to look at the comments back because the point of a live stream is to allow two way conversation.
Yeah people assume that YouTube = money for some reason. A video with 500k views might get you $10 dollars.
The real money is in paid promotions in your video and Patreon…. Both seem to be lacking in the fsd vids.
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The average engagement rate throughout all of YouTube is 1%, for highly rated videos it is around 5%
I don't find dirty or AI addict objective. I like Frenchie, cook and this new guy I just found Rocco speranza
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
I find that all of videographers on the beta team drive a route and show the result. The commentary is incidental to me, unless the video contains a test of a specific scenario.
Let me add, I do sometimes like AI Addict even though he often makes lots of excuses. Overall he is good. I refuse to watch Dirty though anymore. He is not as bad as Hyperchange but he is a cheerleader.
OK, so there are several people in this thread who are obviously anti-Tesla, or at least, anti-FSD.
Can you tell us what Tesla would need to change in order for you to change your opinion of them? Please tell us how they should be developing FSD. What's the most fair way for them to do so that would please you? What are they doing currently that has made you have such a negative opinion? If they aren't currently doing something wrong, then what in the past has made you so anti Tesla? Have they taken any steps to correct those issues? How should they be selecting their beta testers? Is it wrong for them to be beta testing in plain sight with open transparency?
The positive people have explained why they are positive about the situation. Rather than just tell those people how wrong they are, let's hear how you'd do it in order to make things right.
Yes, Elon bit off way more than he could chew when he told us the timeline for FSD back in the beginning, and probably even now. But I don't think that anyone knew that it was going to be this hard to pull this off in the 21st century. Having to "solve the majority of AI to get it to work" was perfectly see-able with hindsight. Were you so smart that you saw this in the windshield? Having to fall back on a "just look at the promised dates" to support your argument is pretty weak sauce. Elon has admitted that it was much harder than he ever foresaw, and that he was wrong. Admitting that you're wrong is hard.
C'mon, guys... don't just chew people's opinions apart with weak arguments and FUD; let's hear why you feel the way you do, and what Tesla needs to do to appease you. You've all stated that they're doing it so wrong, so tell us what they need to do to do it right.
Lay it all out so we see where you're coming from.
Can you tell us what Tesla would need to change in order for you to change your opinion of them? Please tell us how they should be developing FSD. What's the most fair way for them to do so that would please you? What are they doing currently that has made you have such a negative opinion? If they aren't currently doing something wrong, then what in the past has made you so anti Tesla? Have they taken any steps to correct those issues? How should they be selecting their beta testers? Is it wrong for them to be beta testing in plain sight with open transparency?
The positive people have explained why they are positive about the situation. Rather than just tell those people how wrong they are, let's hear how you'd do it in order to make things right.
Yes, Elon bit off way more than he could chew when he told us the timeline for FSD back in the beginning, and probably even now. But I don't think that anyone knew that it was going to be this hard to pull this off in the 21st century. Having to "solve the majority of AI to get it to work" was perfectly see-able with hindsight. Were you so smart that you saw this in the windshield? Having to fall back on a "just look at the promised dates" to support your argument is pretty weak sauce. Elon has admitted that it was much harder than he ever foresaw, and that he was wrong. Admitting that you're wrong is hard.
C'mon, guys... don't just chew people's opinions apart with weak arguments and FUD; let's hear why you feel the way you do, and what Tesla needs to do to appease you. You've all stated that they're doing it so wrong, so tell us what they need to do to do it right.
Lay it all out so we see where you're coming from.
rxlawdude
Active Member
Interesting, in that posted signs specifically warn against crossing a DOUBLE WHITE LINE from mainline to HOV or vice versa. The DMV information is a bit muddy, but does suggest waiting to cross at a broken single white line.
There is nothing in CVC prohibiting lane changing across a SINGLE WHITE LINE. Some law enforcement officers may be confused, but if cited for this violation, it's a guaranteed win in traffic court (assuming the lane change was done SAFELY).
Yes, Elon has chosen quite a few YouTubers to test FSD beta. And, IMO, did so for maximum transparency so people can watch the progress of development unfold. But of course, this gets twisted by the FUDsters into being a bad thing. /facedesk Had they done it closed beta with zero transparency, FUDsters would complain about that. Yet doing it with full transparency, and the FUDsters claim cronyism. No way to please these types of people.
But there are also *a lot* of FSD testers who never even had a YouTube channel before getting FSD beta, and currently have such low subscription and watch counts that the money they are making on their videos is exactly zero dollars.
Yup, I'm pro-Tesla. But I'm also not a blind fan boy. I will be the first to admit that Tesla has some serious problems right now with quality control and customer service. Serious problems that could be a huge detriment to the company. Tesla isn't perfect. Elon isn't perfect. No one, no company IS perfect.
But to throw poop just to throw poop is just as bad as blind fanboi-ism.
But there are also *a lot* of FSD testers who never even had a YouTube channel before getting FSD beta, and currently have such low subscription and watch counts that the money they are making on their videos is exactly zero dollars.
Yup, I'm pro-Tesla. But I'm also not a blind fan boy. I will be the first to admit that Tesla has some serious problems right now with quality control and customer service. Serious problems that could be a huge detriment to the company. Tesla isn't perfect. Elon isn't perfect. No one, no company IS perfect.
But to throw poop just to throw poop is just as bad as blind fanboi-ism.
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Daniel in SD
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Yes, because billions had already been spent trying to solve the problem before Elon claimed it was "solved". It was already the most difficult engineering problem ever attempted in my opinion.
So, I didn't buy FSD.
My only complaint is that I don't think Tesla's approach of having customers test beta FSD software is going to be safe. I'll be happy to proven wrong though because it's definitely entertaining and fascinating. If it's not safe they should go back to testing it with trained safety drivers until it's done. I'm definitely not anti-Tesla, when FSD is ready I'll be happy to purchase it.
Now THAT'S the way it's done. Put up a valid concern and WHY it's valid. This is the kind of discourse we need here.
And I agree. Tesla needs to at least put some sort of vetting effort into their beta testers in order to keep it as safe as possible. There is more than one YouTube FSD beta tester that seriously shouldn't be using ANY sort of driver assist device, let alone a beta version.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
In WA where the video was shot, changing lanes across the solid white is apparently legal
Can you slalom through Seattle's monorail columns on 5th Avenue?
A recent on-air debate about driving back-and-forth between the concrete columns under Seattle's monorail spurred a short investigation, and a shocking traffic revelation.
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Note however the cop they initially asked thought it wasn't legal but said they need to check with Seattle DOT to be sure. DOT confirmed it WAS legal.
scottf200
Well-Known Member
I thought there was some verification once they were in the FSD beta program as in March they removed some.
Google search: tesla beta tester revoked
Tesla has some data.
Also this data:
Tam
Well-Known Member
Ruffles
Member
+1. I lowered my Y 1" with coil overs and couldn't understand why my regular AP/FSD (not part of the beta) sucked so bad. I thought it was just a crappy release. It wouldn't brake or slow down for cars in front of me until the last second. Then it dawned on me that in lowering the car, I'd changed the perspective of the cameras. I did a calibration and it completely fixed the issue and AP/FSD has been great since. I can't wait for the beta and would be thrilled to try it as is.
I disagree. Paying someone minimum wage even with training and they are less likely to pay attention. When you are doing something "fun" on your own time, you are way more likely to not tune out and pay attention. I think it was smart of Tesla to do it this way.
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