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FSD increasing by $1K 11/1/19
- Thread starter parkndrive
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The best selling car in the lineup is by far the Standard Range Plus. At $38k, you cant expect people to pay 15% more of the car full price for a feature that is "coming soon". On top of that, its been reported multiple times, even by Elon himself, people are "reaching" to purchase the SR or SR+. If they are reaching just to purchase the car, they definitely cannot afford $6k or more for FSD. I just dont understand the reasoning to keep raising the price....
Jigglypuff
Member
One of them is a bigger fool than the other.
It's not beta software. It's largely pre-alpha.
Just did my first "long distance" drive Boston to Philly on I95. Mostly a great experience. I have AP, not FSD. My review of AP is mixed, mostly favorable. There are situations where AP gets confused and applies the breaks unexpectedly. It seems to get confused by overpasses. I worry about getting rear-ended in heavy traffic during an unexpected, sudden slow down. I wonder if FSD is any less prone to these unexpected slow downs. I'd rather wait until more of the bugs are worked out before I'd spend an extra $6-7k.
If city driving actually worked it would be worth 6k but its not and wont be any time soon. I cant justify 7k for a feature that wont be ready in the time frame Ill have the car. I'm not keeping my Model 3 for 10 years. Ill have it for 5 max. Probably more like 3 before I get bored.
SammichLover
Banned
The later is paying for the extra EAP features the former had already bought.
Hank42
Legacy Supporter
True - good point. I have EAP and it's darned 'good enuff'. I don't see the delta between EAP I have and FSD at that price gap. But my main point is this: On a scale of usefullnesss from 1-10, with EAP being a 1, what will FSD W/2.5 hardware be? FSD with 3.0 Hardware? FSD with > 3.0 hardware? When does the FSD roulette wheel stop?
When more ppl realize they're paying for nothing and stop throwing money at Tesla.
Fernand
Active Member
To people who are disappointed in NOA/AS, learn its limits, and when not to use it.
Just engaging AP and expecting it to do everything is silly. I suggest short sessions at first.
Gradually get to know it. It takes time. Tune yourself, and it, like
1) Max speed. Set it to start 5 miles BELOW speed limit. Simple to tweak on the fly with roller.
2) Follow distance. Tune it to your comfort in different conditions. I use 3-4. Sometimes 2, 5.
3) Auto Lane change. I prefer Mad Max with chime, no confirm. But experiment.
4) Acceleration. Try Chill, then try Standard. No shame in rolling down max speed sometimes.
5) Steering. Experiment. I used to prefer Sport, but now use Comfort more.
6) Experiment with how to best place your steering hand for least disruption to "apply torque".
7) View. Try mirrors a tad out for full view. Some like rear camera showing instead of map.
8) Be ready to tap wand up and take over for a bit if you can do better. Then resume AS/AP.
9) This is an assist, let it help, but stay in control, enjoy supervising, no dozing, no texting.
10) Do a daily pre-flight check. Wipe sensors and all cameras w/ microfiber cloth.
Have fun.
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Just engaging AP and expecting it to do everything is silly. I suggest short sessions at first.
Gradually get to know it. It takes time. Tune yourself, and it, like
1) Max speed. Set it to start 5 miles BELOW speed limit. Simple to tweak on the fly with roller.
2) Follow distance. Tune it to your comfort in different conditions. I use 3-4. Sometimes 2, 5.
3) Auto Lane change. I prefer Mad Max with chime, no confirm. But experiment.
4) Acceleration. Try Chill, then try Standard. No shame in rolling down max speed sometimes.
5) Steering. Experiment. I used to prefer Sport, but now use Comfort more.
6) Experiment with how to best place your steering hand for least disruption to "apply torque".
7) View. Try mirrors a tad out for full view. Some like rear camera showing instead of map.
8) Be ready to tap wand up and take over for a bit if you can do better. Then resume AS/AP.
9) This is an assist, let it help, but stay in control, enjoy supervising, no dozing, no texting.
10) Do a daily pre-flight check. Wipe sensors and all cameras w/ microfiber cloth.
Have fun.
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SammichLover
Banned
A ‘1’? What kind of scale is this? LOL
??? I’m unclear what you’re talking about here? “2.5 hardware FSD” is EAP, and if you bought FSD (rather than just EAP) you’re moving to 3.0 hardware. The 3.5 part seems out of left field? You seem really confused and/or throwing up nonsense FUD statements about how it’s all, well hard to make heads or tales of exactly what other than you’re really confused.
boiler81
Member
I know Tesla needs to make more money, but increasing the price of a feature set that doesn't exist, and likely won't for years, make's no sense. If Tesla truly needs to increase revenue, start charging for OTA software updates which add useful features.
Fernand
Active Member
@boiler81 this idea sounds plausible, but it's impractical. It would go against the morale-building free update policy. But mainly because splitting the software releases into multiple branches to break out salable "useful feature" subsets would create more bugs, and deprive some owners of safety-enhancing improvements, which are essential for everyone's well-being. They have been working to get everyone updated to one common maximally safe point, until they begin rolling out HW3-only code (which undoubtedly exists already in alpha). I'm not even sure that will be a separate branch. No way to know from the outside.
So-called "FSD" is an incremental process, not an SKU. If we look at what already exists, objectively, and get off the "it will never happen" train, what we have as of V10 2019.12.2 is 1) pretty good highway self-driving with target navigation, 2) parking lot "street FSD" with partial intersection handling and short range target navigation, and 3) AP level wider range "street FSD", without target nav and without intersection/signage handling.
These missing feature combinations are probably being tested as alpha code as we sit here. I suspect that they are further along than we imagine, and as we've seen in demos, just not perfected. They might suddenly become generally released as beta within the next few months, so they can provide feedback to the NN and get refined. Or, they might only be released for HW3 equipped cars. We'll see.
But it's like Advanced Summon that was "never coming" until it came. For all the complaining, like about cutting through some empty parking spaces, which may be by design, it actually functions better than expected. Kind of interesting that we haven't heard of any catastrophic parking lot accidents.
Although I personally see SciFi level robotaxi-capable FSD, with a lot of edge case handling, as being gradually reached and permitted over the next few years, I think that basic street level self-driving with navigation to target and intersection/signage handling, is not that far off. Time will tell.
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So-called "FSD" is an incremental process, not an SKU. If we look at what already exists, objectively, and get off the "it will never happen" train, what we have as of V10 2019.12.2 is 1) pretty good highway self-driving with target navigation, 2) parking lot "street FSD" with partial intersection handling and short range target navigation, and 3) AP level wider range "street FSD", without target nav and without intersection/signage handling.
These missing feature combinations are probably being tested as alpha code as we sit here. I suspect that they are further along than we imagine, and as we've seen in demos, just not perfected. They might suddenly become generally released as beta within the next few months, so they can provide feedback to the NN and get refined. Or, they might only be released for HW3 equipped cars. We'll see.
But it's like Advanced Summon that was "never coming" until it came. For all the complaining, like about cutting through some empty parking spaces, which may be by design, it actually functions better than expected. Kind of interesting that we haven't heard of any catastrophic parking lot accidents.
Although I personally see SciFi level robotaxi-capable FSD, with a lot of edge case handling, as being gradually reached and permitted over the next few years, I think that basic street level self-driving with navigation to target and intersection/signage handling, is not that far off. Time will tell.
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It's my feeling that Tesla should sell the FSD option as a service, that way if you ever wanted to purchase a new Tesla you had the option of transferring the "license" to the new car or sell it as part of the car you had or sell it outright.
Like myself who has an '19 LR RWD with FSD but have thought about upgrading to an AWD but the thought of spending another $6k on FSD is a limitation by principle as it seems like there is no value added to the trade in or person to person sale.
Thoughts?
Like myself who has an '19 LR RWD with FSD but have thought about upgrading to an AWD but the thought of spending another $6k on FSD is a limitation by principle as it seems like there is no value added to the trade in or person to person sale.
Thoughts?
Or offer ala carte add ons to Sr vehicles that already have hardware installed. I’m sure lots of people would pay to turn on rear heated seats or cabin lighting.
Thats free money...the hardware and software are already there but Tesla doesnt want it apparently. I would pay $1k for Auto Lane change but I am not paying $6k. I might pay $1k for Summon. All the hardware and software is in every car...it makes no sense to not get the most money out of every owner. We are seeing it more as Tesla is getting more affordable to more owners. Before when you purchased a model S or X for $80K, owners had no problem shelling out $5k or so for FSD. Now that the SR and SR+ are becoming the best selling vehicle for Tesla, they need to make the features affordable in a way to get to most owners. Alot of owners who are purchasing SR/SR+ vehicles dont have another $6k upfront, but they could pay for specific features at an affordable price for them.
jebinc
Well-Known Member
Actually, it does... When Tesla threatened to raise prices $1000 this past August 16th (and didn't), that "threat" caused many people to throw $6000 at Tesla prior to the deadline. A big windfall for Tesla at they didn't have to produce or deliver anything for that cash. As we all know, the price didn't go up in August. This is just Tesla "running the same play" on weary customers. Not the best strategy IMHO.
Uncle Don
Member
So that's why to skip it on your first or second generation car. Why buy before it starts working?
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