A friend of ours just bought a 2021 M3 with FSD, is that going to stay is it going to be deleted?
The car was purchased from a car dealer.The answer is "it depends" on....
1. Whether your friend purchased the car from the person who purchased it from tesla, and that person purchased the car from tesla with FSD
2. Whether the was traded into tesla, and then sent to auction, then purchased by some other dealer to sell to your friend.
3. whether the FSD on the car is actually the fully purchased FSD, or a subscription
The car was purchased from a car dealer.
Im trying to figure this out too as I am in the market for a 3. I was just on the Tesla site and spoke with someone via chat. They said 100%, if a car is used and purchased through a non-Tesla dealer, the FSD will be removed once I purchase it and transfer it to me.
So now I'm thinking of just finding a LR with AB, or a performance. And, if i want FSD I'll just subscribe to it.
Doesnt it show up on the carfax? It says when the car was registered and when/where it was sold. I just saw a car from some dealer on CarGurus, and in the carfax it showed "sold at auction"They also cant know that, because they dont know if the used car dealer bought the car from auction, or bought the car directly from the first owner and is now selling it.
There is absolutely, positively, 1000000000000% no way to know for a used car purchased from a non tesla vehicle dealer, regardless of what tesla says on the matter. It could or it couldnt, however it would be better to "assume" it wont since there is no way to track the custody of the car on the dealers lot.
Carfax does not = a full history of every cars ownership journey, so no, carfax will not tell you for every vehicle.Doesnt it show up on the carfax? It says when the car was registered and when/where it was sold. I just saw a car from some dealer on CarGurus, and in the carfax it showed "sold at auction"
Seems like that would be pretty easy to know. But this woman Sarah from the Tesla chat said that regardless, if its bought from a used car dealer, the FSD will be taken away once I transfer it to my name/account. Which in itself is absurd because someone already paid for that option.
Which in itself is absurd because someone already paid for that option.
Got it. That’s what I understood until the Tesla chat rep said otherwise.This is simply an internal IT problem at Tesla. One trivially fixed but their internal IT sucks and they've put not effort into changing that.
Anyway, trying to sum up:
If you buy a used Tesla and it never, ever, went BACK to being owned by Tesla, and it has paid-for FSD, that stays with the car- period full stop.
If you buy a used Tesla and it DID go BACK to being owned by Tesla, even if just for a day before going to auction, then there's a chance it will lose FSD even if it has it when you initially buy it used.
Essentially when Tesla owns it they flag FSD removal on the back end system- but this doesn't automatically get immediately pushed out to the car itself- nor do they have any check in place to prevent the car from going to auction before this update is pushed and received. Hence why you get stuff like the guy who bought it from a dealer post-auction- FSD having shown on the car AT auction, but it vanished once the update actually got to the car after the auction. A simple sell-block in Teslas system until the update is acknowledged as received from the vehicle fixes this- as would an auto-push/receive check WHEN the back end flag is changed- but they can't be bothered to add either.
You can also try to get the used car dealer to make a written guarantee in the sales documents that the car includes the Full Self Driving software license, and go after them if it gets removed later (though this can screw them over if they are ignorant of how the FSD licensing works, but at least they would learn to do some due diligence on future Tesla trade-ins). Or just always assume the car doesn't come with FSD from the used car dealer and only be willing to pay the appropriate price for it. Finally, you can have the dealer try to get info from the seller (if it was a private sale) on whether and when they bought FSD (and print out the receipt for it that shows up on their Tesla account).Got it. That’s what I understood until the Tesla chat rep said otherwise.
I guess if I go to a used dealer I have do try and find proof that the vehicle was sold by its first owner or something. And pray. Lol.
Tho I don’t mind paying the subscription for long trips, it’s more of the thinking it already has it when it doesn’t. So I guess searching for a used car with fsd might not be as important anymore.