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FSD Price increase in UK
- Thread starter RichieC
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Someone else described FSD as “Fake Self Driving”
“Full Self Driving” means something different to Elon than it does to me. To me it means at least Level 4 automation. We are still several years off that in this country, partly because no commercially available car is capable of it and partly because legislation won’t allow it. Personally I wouldn’t buy FSD unless I was going to keep the car for at least 6 years, maybe more, and I tend to change my car every 2/3 years.
Elon, of course, claimed that FSD would be “feature complete” by the end of LAST year, which was another example of him talking out of his hairy hoop.
AndrewGR
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At the moment the M3 won’t autosteer round a bend on a decent country road without behaving like a 17 year old after a few lessons. Speed is erratic, it’s likely to cross a double white line in the middle of the road, or demand you take over as it heads for the kerb. Nowhere close to an FSD capability. But geat to drive manually! I don’t regret not paying for FSD for a moment. I don’t think I would buy it if it came on offer at £1000.
I’m going to believe what Elon tells me, because he doesn’t lie and he always delivers. Maybe a little late, but he delivers. And today he is saying this on Twitter
Not sure but also not sure why it’s called FSD if it’s not level 4. In the UK it can’t take roundabouts or anything other than going along a road. Can’t take left/right turns or even semi sharp corners over about 40mph without the ‘take over’ warnings. It’s really nothing more than a fancy lane keep assist at present.
pow216
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Does anyone know the take rate on FSD? I’d love see the expected take rate vs price. I guess they’ve done the math though and the figures are then chosen to maximise revenue. It’s definitely priced too high for me now. Might have stretched to 3k maybe 4. Certainly no higher.
A little late? FSD was supposed to be “feature complete” six months ago and it turns out Tesla are having to completely re-write the autopilot software.
There are many automotive experts who maintain that self driving will never be possible without some sort of LIDAR. Elon disagrees, and it will be interesting to see who’s right.
Whatever happens, Level 4 automation is still many years off in this country, and for this reason I don’t think FSD will be worth the money for many years to come. Which is fine with me because I actually enjoy driving the car.
Sparkeur
Member
As the price continues to increase, unless Tesla 'futureproof' FSD ownership by licencing to the owner rather than the car, less people will purchase it until it truly does provide full self driving.
Someone else described FSD as “Fake Self Driving”
Perhaps it would more honest to give it the more aspirational title of 'Future Self Driving'
I think the takeup would be a lot higher if that were the case.
I can only assume that their internal sales metrics show that the uptake of FSD is good enough for them. After all, at least on the currenty HW3 Model 3, it is a purely software unlock.
MrBadger
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Thanks for that. I was wondering if smart summon was using the new code, but having seen those, I'm not so sure. At least, not using all the new code. One Tesla presentation was showing 3D view when using advance summon and I was hoping that it was not the new code - even without our smart summon restrictions, smart summon still has some way to go.
Not sure if it will be a 'big bang' introduction. EM talks about transitioning but not sure if that just extra functionality being transitioned in, or whether that includes existing functionality on the new stack. Having worked on several 'big bang' projects, I don't have a problem with that approach per se as long as it is properly tested, however this is Tesla so I will probably take a big step back for a while when it is introduced
Jason71
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I don't have LIDAR and I can do Full self driving so it ought to be possible
JupiterMan
Active Member
HSD (Human Self Driving!) uses only two cameras, mounted *inside* the car, combined with three mirrors and does the job.
I agree with Elon (as does my pension fund!)
Jason71
Well-Known Member
Having said that I am thinking of getting LDAR fitted to my wife.
I agree too.
At the end of the day I think self-driving comes down to resolution, framerate and processing power. Approaching it from the mindset that we manage it perfectly well with 2 cameras, 3 mirrors and a brain is sound logic, I think.
I actually think stuff like LIDAR and sensors etc is missing the point somewhat. Stuff like that is a bandaid - I think - for insufficient performance in the cameras or CPUs.
On a long enough timeline I think we will get to a point where cars communicate their positions, velocity and even intentions to other vehicles within a certain radius, making the need for cameras to identify them as vehicles somewhat moot.
The real challenge currently is how to deal with the present. The biggest problem I think with self-driving is anticipation, which is AI at the end of the day. Any half decent driver has a sixth sense about vehicles that are about to pull out, or people who look like they aren't paying attention - or are simply too young to know better - about to cross the road, etc. Self-driving needs to deal with that effectively to go to the next level, as it were. Cameras and CPUs will continue to get better and better, exponentially, as time goes on.
