FSD Subscription to start February 2021

[Wennfred]

Elon just said in the Tesla 4th Qtr earnings report that the FSD will be out next month in Feb 2021. He was also asked if FSD could be transferred over to a new car, his reply was No. There was no mention of the FSD Subscription rates at this time.

I’m more interested in Auto Lane Change only.

Fred

 

[run-the-joules]

F them and their ongoing mistreatment, deceiving, and lying to early FSD buyers.

 

[glide]

Good luck bilking those who paid $10K for auto lane change again.

 

[Hovscorpion1]

Elon did not say Feb. Elon stated that FSD subscription will launch in the next 1-2 months depending on how it goes,

 

[Rottenapplr]

Wish I can buy summon to move the car out of my garage and back in for my home gym I’d love that! Who cares about fsd.

 

[run-the-joules]

Who cares about fsd.

Me. I never want to drive again unless I *choose* to drive again. There is no joy in commuting, or dealing with awful roads and traffic. The days of driving for pleasure are long gone for me.

 

[dmurphy]

F them and their ongoing mistreatment, deceiving, and lying to early FSD buyers.

Safe to say, FSD attempt #1 was a failure. It just never did what they wanted it to do.

Attempt #2 looks a lot more promising, but progress takes time.

I’d rather they give up and start over when the first FSD proved to be the wrong path. Tough call but the right one.

(Good) software ain’t easy.

 

[pilotSteve]

Safe to say, FSD attempt #1 was a failure. It just never did what they wanted it to do.

Attempt #2 looks a lot more promising, but progress takes time.

I’d rather they give up and start over when the first FSD proved to be the wrong path. Tough call but the right one.

(Good) software ain’t easy.

well.... so far those of us early BUYERS of FSD are the ones paying the price of their failure. Will Tesla do anything to make that right?

.... they could start by allowing current FSD to transfer to a new one at no charge.....

 

[run-the-joules]

well.... so far those of us early BUYERS of FSD are the ones paying the price of their failure. Will Tesla do anything to make that right?

.... they could start by allowing current FSD to transfer to a new one at no charge.....

Exactly. But they've made it very clear that we don't matter. Nevermind that I've been looking for an excuse to buy a Model Y, but with how they're treating us? Absolutely not.

 

[afty]

Any mention about HW2.5 cars? Will we be able to subscribe?

 

[stopcrazypp]

well.... so far those of us early BUYERS of FSD are the ones paying the price of their failure. Will Tesla do anything to make that right?

.... they could start by allowing current FSD to transfer to a new one at no charge.....

Wouldn't the right thing to do be actually getting FSD working (which if they do, all buyers of FSD will benefit)? If they never get FSD working, why would you want to transfer to a new one? Neither would work anyways.

 

[run-the-joules]

Wouldn't the right thing to do be actually getting FSD working (which if they do, all buyers of FSD will benefit)? If they never get FSD working, why would you want to transfer to a new one? Neither would work anyways.

Because the basic autopilot doesn't have Nav on Autopilot or Auto Lane change, which are legitimately good features (or autopark, which is garbage, and Summon, which can be useful), but part of Enhanced Autopilot as far as we are concerned.

 

[oreobbq]

Wouldn't the right thing to do be actually getting FSD working (which if they do, all buyers of FSD will benefit)? If they never get FSD working, why would you want to transfer to a new one? Neither would work anyways.

So is FSD advertised as something where you can punch in an address and take a nap? Cuz I don't see that happening anytime soon until most manufacturers jump on board and there's more shared liability.

 

[run-the-joules]

So is FSD advertised as something where you can punch in an address and take a nap? Cuz I don't see that happening anytime soon until most manufacturers jump on board and there's more shared liability.

Yes, and liability is moot since the technology is still years away.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Because the basic autopilot doesn't have Nav on Autopilot or Auto Lane change, which are legitimately good features (or autopark, which is garbage, and Summon, which can be useful), but part of Enhanced Autopilot as far as we are concerned.

That's basically transferring over the EAP package (which I suppose would make some of the buyers happy), but that still doesn't address features promised for the original FSD option (which was separate). Tesla is still liable to deliver for that.

 

[stopcrazypp]

So is FSD advertised as something where you can punch in an address and take a nap? Cuz I don't see that happening anytime soon until most manufacturers jump on board and there's more shared liability.

If you go on the page now (and it's been that way for a while), the only extra features that FSD promises over the original EAP options is Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control and Autosteer on city streets (coming later). They no longer advertise like you say (like punching in an address and car driving itself).

Full Self-Driving Capability
$10,000

• Navigate on Autopilot
• Auto Lane Change
• Autopark
• Summon
• Full Self-Driving Computer
• Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control

Coming later this year

• Autosteer on city streets

The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

Design Your Model 3 | Tesla

I believe originally the promises were more on that order page, but not anymore. Trying to find an internet archive link that works to show the previous wording, but haven't found it yet.

Edit, this is the best picture I could find, which Teslarati had of the previous wording back in 2016:

tesla-full-self-driving-capability-upgrade - TESLARATI

 

[run-the-joules]

That's basically transferring over the EAP package (which I suppose would make some of the buyers happy), but that still doesn't address features promised for the original FSD option (which was separate). Tesla is still liable to deliver for that.

right. Just saying that for now I don't want to step backwards in features but I'm not enough of a sucker to buy FSD again.

 

[run-the-joules]

If you go on the page now (and it's been that way for a while), the only extra features that FSD promises over the original EAP options is Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control and Autosteer on city streets (coming later). They no longer advertise like you say (like punching in an address and car driving itself).


Design Your Model 3 | Tesla

I believe originally the promises were more on that order page, but not anymore. Trying to find an internet archive link that works to show the previous wording, but haven't found it yet.

There are screenshots out there, hopefully someone around here has em handy.

if nothing else I'm sure they will come up in the inevitable class actions

 

[chrstna4]

It struck me today that in the Q3 earnings report Elon said he would “think about” letting FSD follow the owner and in the Q4 report today he said no. His reasoning was something like “you’ll be able to trade in/sell the car for more with FSD” so you’d get your money back-ish.

 

[M3BlueGeorgia]

Any mention about HW2.5 cars? Will we be able to subscribe?

Interesting how they would handle that scenario, since one of our incentives to upgrade from EAP to FSD at the end of 2019 was the "free" hardware upgrade from HW2.5 to HW3.