Knightshade
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Tesla has also had multiple things called EAP, and multiple things called PUP. Tesla is not great with distinct acronyms.
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Elon’s talking about a future product called FSD which is perfectly fine except that Tesla sells a different product that’s also called FSD.
ordinary car buyers who have never even heard of Tesla Motors Club, much less read any of the explanations here, are expected to understand that FSD is not actually full self-driving
Or anybody who actually reads the description of what they are buying. They'd also be expected to understand that.
Since it explicitly says that.
And while the print that does so is technically smaller, it's barely smaller and pretty clearly shown to the buyer right above the add button.
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Nobody reads that stuff.
Pretty sure autopark uses a lot less processing power than Navigate on Autopilot for example.... (and it's not like both need to run at the same time)
4 Years since GM/Cruise said this.
GM plans large-scale launch of self-driving cars in U.S. cities in 2019
General Motors Co laid out its vision for self-driving vehicles on Thursday, telling investors it planned a commercial launch of fleets of fully autonomous robo-taxis in multiple dense urban environments in 2019, in a challenge to rivals such as Alphabet Inc's Waymo.www.reuters.com
Because people refuse to consider what is happening industrywide and want to paint a picture that only Tesla is being late.This thread is about FSD. Not sure why you keep whatabouting.
Because people refuse to consider what is happening industrywide and want to paint a picture that only Tesla is being late.
Besides when have you started policing threads ? Go to all the waymo or other threads and tell people not to post about Tesla
The problem with Tesla is they sold FSD to customers as a product.
When you sell a product its a completely different ballgame.
I can't compare Tesla with the delays every other company has had because Tesla is the only one who had the insanity of selling the improbable to customers.
What I find really disturbing is they sold it almost like an investment to the unsuspecting public.
It wasn't a case of "here is this feature and the price is locked into X amount", but instead it was a "here is something that will blow your minds, but order quickly because we most definitely will raise the price soon".
Oops, forgot source for last quote: Tesla’s Q1 2021 earnings callDon't forget these two beauties:
March 2015 "It's not something I think is very difficult. To do autonomous driving that is to a degree much safer than a person, is much easier than people think... I almost view it like a solved problem." (Nvidia conference)
April 2021 "[FSD] is definitely one of the -- I think one of the hardest technical problems that exists, that's maybe ever existed."
Dec. 8th 2017 1:58 pm PT
Speaking at a conference on artificial intelligence yesterday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk updated his timeline prediction for a fully self-driving car to 2 years. He also predicts that another year after that cars will be significantly better drivers than humans.
Now at the conference on Neural Information Processing Systems (NIPS) yesterday, Musk said that they could achieve some level of full self-driving within two years, but that the more important timeline would be 3 years, at which point self-driving capabilities would be significantly better than human drivers.
Noted in the article a few times - and it's a constant refrain - is FSD will be released "as soon as regulations allow it." Well...the beta is getting pushed out gradually now. Did I miss regulators allowing it?
Its like the (old?) California CARB designation of "PZEV" - "Partially Zero Emission Vehicle".It can mean a package of driver-assist features sold under the (misleading, or at best aspirational) name of "FSD."
Its like the (old?) California CARB designation of "PZEV" - "Partially Zero Emission Vehicle".
PZEV has nothing to do with being hybrid or having engine stop/start capability. It had to do with having an improved fuel system that reduced the leaking of volatile fuel vapors from the tank and fuel lines. For example, Subaru sold PZEV cars that were non-hybrid.Yeah. My old Prius had that. "Partially Zero Emission Vehicle" because occasionally it would shut off the engine and drive on electric. It was SULEV, which should have just been called LEV, but the PZEV was meaningless even then.
A partial zero emission vehicle, in the United States, is an automobile that has zero evaporative emissions from its fuel system, has a 15-year (or at least 150,000-mile) warranty on its emission-control components, and meets SULEV tailpipe-emission standards.
PZEV has nothing to do with being hybrid or having engine stop/start capability. It had to do with having an improved fuel system that reduced the leaking of volatile fuel vapors from the tank and fuel lines. For example, Subaru sold PZEV cars that were non-hybrid.