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For those of you who have FSD and long range, if you had to give up one which would it be?
Having both LR AWD and FSD, I can confidently recommend LR first....
You mean choose to have FSD over LR? That's what the poll is asking?
Yes, I had to read it a few times too
Now that my 2 kids are out of car seats, the 3 makes a great road trip car. I’ll take the Tesla if it’s 6 hours or less. Any more and it’s the Sienna, which drives like a boat.I'd give up LR, because I don't need to use it. Not doing many long trips with small kids.
But when buying I'd buy LR first, since I can add FSD later.
Range is more important than anything else for any EV I own. I enjoy long EV road trips.
I totally disagree with this. Not that range isn't important, but to take this to an extreme, would a car with 1,000 mile range that cost $50,000 more be worth it.
As someone who has had an 88 mile Leaf, currently has a 150 mile Leaf and a LR Model 3 and no ICE, I've got a perspective that many don't.
88 miles is quite sufficient in many situations. I drove it for years to many locations and it worked quite well, even in the Winter. It would travel all over town, but it was limited to being a "commute vehicle"
The I drove the 150 mile Leaf, which my wife drives today. It works around town without any need to stop and charger, it can even travel long distances, but especially in winter, when the range starts dropping to about 100 miles, it's just not great for longer trips.
240 mile range gets you over the barrier of trips to essentially all locations. Superchargers are generally located at distances that the car has no issues going from one to the next. You can go from coast to coast in the car.
Why would I have a LR? First reason is that the SR+ didn't exist when I got the car. I've had it for a little over a year and probably average 250 miles per week driving it. But I've got 25,000 miles on it. A good portion of that distance is road trips. I've taken many 1,000 mile trips. Took one a few months ago from Atlanta to Cape Canaveral and back in 48 hours, just to see a SpaceX launch. (I travel in airplanes for work, a vacation travelling by air isn't special to me)
So, the decision between SR+ and LR is pretty complicated. Do you take road trips? Do you take many road trips over 200 miles?Are you in an area where Superchargers aren't 100 miles away on Interstates?
A LOT of folks don't take road trips. Many of these folks rarely drive 100 miles away from home. It's a rare few that travel over 300 miles away from home in a car.
So, back to my premise, A LR car that you aren't going to use for LR is less valuable than a SR+ vehicle that may get FSD features
It all depends on what your plans for the vehicle are. If you like road trips, especially in the winter, then a LR probably a better choice. If not, then go for the SR+.I totally disagree with this. Not that range isn't important, but to take this to an extreme, would a car with 1,000 mile range that cost $50,000 more be worth it.
As someone who has had an 88 mile Leaf, currently has a 150 mile Leaf and a LR Model 3 and no ICE, I've got a perspective that many don't.
88 miles is quite sufficient in many situations. I drove it for years to many locations and it worked quite well, even in the Winter. It would travel all over town, but it was limited to being a "commute vehicle"
The I drove the 150 mile Leaf, which my wife drives today. It works around town without any need to stop and charger, it can even travel long distances, but especially in winter, when the range starts dropping to about 100 miles, it's just not great for longer trips.
240 mile range gets you over the barrier of trips to essentially all locations. Superchargers are generally located at distances that the car has no issues going from one to the next. You can go from coast to coast in the car.
Why would I have a LR? First reason is that the SR+ didn't exist when I got the car. I've had it for a little over a year and probably average 250 miles per week driving it. But I've got 25,000 miles on it. A good portion of that distance is road trips. I've taken many 1,000 mile trips. Took one a few months ago from Atlanta to Cape Canaveral and back in 48 hours, just to see a SpaceX launch. (I travel in airplanes for work, a vacation travelling by air isn't special to me)
So, the decision between SR+ and LR is pretty complicated. Do you take road trips? Do you take many road trips over 200 miles?Are you in an area where Superchargers aren't 100 miles away on Interstates?
A LOT of folks don't take road trips. Many of these folks rarely drive 100 miles away from home. It's a rare few that travel over 300 miles away from home in a car.
So, back to my premise, A LR car that you aren't going to use for LR is less valuable than a SR+ vehicle that may get FSD features
Let's say you buy an LR AWD rated for 310 miles... The overall advice here (and elsewhere) is to charge to 80% or 90% for daily use, unless heading out on a long trip (then go to 100%). Further, the overall advice is to charge up before hitting 20%, in other words, problems can occur if the charge levels fall below 20% (or you might not make it to a SC, etc.). So, actual recommended day-to-day usable range for this 310 mile range LR AWD is about 201 miles (65% of 310, where I used 85% (mid point between 80% and 90% mentioned earlier) as the top day-to-day charge level). And, I should add that in cold weather, the actual day-to-day driving range numbers would be lower than 201 miles. The same general math can be applied to the SR, SR+ etc.
Let's say you buy an LR AWD rated for 310 miles... The overall advice here (and elsewhere) is to charge to 80% or 90% for daily use, unless heading out on a long trip (then go to 100%). Further, the overall advice is to charge up before hitting 20%, in other words, problems can occur if the charge levels fall below 20% (or you might not make it to a SC, etc.). So, actual recommended day-to-day usable range for this 310 mile range LR AWD is about 201 miles (65% of 310, where I used 85% (mid point between 80% and 90% mentioned earlier) as the top day-to-day charge level). And, I should add that in cold weather, the actual day-to-day driving range numbers would be lower than 201 miles. The same general math can be applied to the SR, SR+ etc.