TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC
Start a Discussionhttps://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/tags/

"Full Self-Driving Capability"

Discussion in 'Tesla' started by Matias, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Matias

    Matias Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,030
    Location:
    Finland
  2. Tam

    Tam Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,695
    Location:
    Visalia, CA
    The big elephant in the room is spelled "capability"!
     
  3. Matias

    Matias Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,030
    Location:
    Finland
    I'm not native english speaker, but according to Wikipedia, "A capability is the ability to perform or achieve certain actions or outcomes"
     
  4. nowtleft

    nowtleft Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2017
    Messages:
    132
    Location:
    Uk
    I dont even know if I WANT my car to drive me around in the future.....
     
  5. Tiger

    Tiger Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2016
    Messages:
    275
    Location:
    Estonia
    The only useful situation I can immagine would be going out for a night at the bar by car and having the car drive me back while being intoxicated ...
     
  6. Tam

    Tam Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,695
    Location:
    Visalia, CA
    In marketing and advertisement, "capability" means it can but you have to pay for it.

    Internet hotspot capability, XM satellite radio capability....mean they are not free. You have to pay for them to get them working.
     
  7. Tam

    Tam Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,695
    Location:
    Visalia, CA
    May be I didn't understand your question.

    In marketing, the word "capability" itself is a disclaimer and an asterisk.

    It means it does not work as advertised so how do I get it to work?

    For most companies, it just means you pay more and it will work.

    For Tesla, it means its capability will be some time in an unknown future pending 1) Tesla's validation, 2) Regulations AND of course, you have to pay for the option.
     
  8. Matias

    Matias Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,030
    Location:
    Finland
    My point was, that there is no disclaimer that "Full Self-Driving Capability" does not work at the moment. Maybe it is because english is not my first language, but if I would buy a car and manufacturer says that this car has "Full Self-Driving Capability" I would think that this car can fully drive by itself right away, not in some non defined future.
     
  9. alcibiades

    alcibiades Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2017
    Messages:
    463
    Location:
    IL
    I am absolutely baffled by the inability of people (oddly all of whom are very defensive of Tesla/TSLA) to distinguish between potential and actual. This is Metaphysics 101 stuff. The cars come with the hardware (lol!) which has the potential to be FSD. To activate the potential, you need to pay for the software. Whether or not you pay for the software, the hardware is in every Tesla car. The cars "have" it. They don't "can haz" it.

    allfsd.jpeg
     
  10. Derek Kessler

    Derek Kessler Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    318
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    It's simply a list of what you're paying for when you purchase this particular vehicle. It also doesn't break out what Ludicrous Speed Upgrade or Premium Upgrades Package mean. If you're dropping $130,000+ on a car, I'd certainly hope you did some research first.
     
  11. Barklikeadog

    Barklikeadog Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Location:
    PA
    All that matters is what the legal system says it means.
     
  12. John5396

    John5396 Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2016
    Messages:
    47
    Location:
    Burlinbgton, NC
    So, the link provided is a simple single page marketing flier for an inventory car. It doesn't include detailed descriptions of any of the capabilities of the car, it doesn't even specify if a spare tire is included...

    It isn't a gotcha on Tesla that they haven't detailed everything on this one page summary.

    note, I'm not taking a stance on whether Tesla selling FSD as a future feature is fair, correct, etc. But come on folks, expecting the one pager to mean something is really silly.
     
  13. Barklikeadog

    Barklikeadog Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Location:
    PA
    Tesla is just begging for more lawsuits.
     
  14. Barklikeadog

    Barklikeadog Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Location:
    PA
    what does fully self driving mean? will the car be able to communicate with all other cars on the road? How long are owners supposed to wait until it is obvious that the car will not be fully self driving?
    There is no reason to sell it like this.

    When is the NY to LA autonomous trip without the driver lifting a finger going to happen?
     

Share This Page