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Makes sense. Glad I have tried to be pro active. Next research is food supplyWill see.
But we are hearing that Generac installs in this area now have a 6+ month wait...
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Makes sense. Glad I have tried to be pro active. Next research is food supplyWill see.
But we are hearing that Generac installs in this area now have a 6+ month wait...
Will see.
But we are hearing that Generac installs in this area now have a 6+ month wait...
Depends how you hook it up. My 22K generator is connected to my 500 gallon propane tank. Bring it onIf another similar winter storm hits the area, wouldn't Generac standby generators be useless given the nonfunctional state of the natural gas infrastructure in such conditions?
If another similar winter storm hits the area, wouldn't Generac standby generators be useless given the nonfunctional state of the natural gas infrastructure in such conditions?
we had natural gas throughout the crisis... our neighbors generacs worked well..
We moved to the Houston area last summer and had not yet looked into solar/powerwalls... Needless to say, I initiated the process yesterday -- so appreciate reading your experience. We don't have a pool (although we are considering putting one in).
During this week's Texas power outage, we were fortunate to lose power only for 2.5 hours.
Though when the power went out, because it might be days before power was restored, and we may not have much sun for the next 36 hours, we immediately turned off everything we could in the house to reduce power consumption.
And we were able to get the power down to only 400W... We left our two large refrigerators running (with food in the freezers) along with our internet and network gear. I used the breaker panels to turn off the circuits that we weren't going to be using - and it was surprising how much power those circuits were using for devices that were plugged in but not being used.
Our pool pumps are the major power consumer at the house. The main pump is variable speed and usually uses around 800W. But the second pump that powers a decorative waterfall is fixed speed - and uses 2500W. And because the freeze protection is activated when temperatures are below 40 degrees (which has been the case for the past 4 days), we were getting a constant 3300W draw from just the pool equipment.
If the power outage had lasted longer, we would manually turn on the main pump only during overnight freezing temperatures.
For the waterfall pump, I turned off the power and drained it and covered it - and will be turning it on since the Texas grid appears to be working again.
We had planned for our system to handle extended outages after a hurricane - when it would be warm and we'd likely have sun (skies typically clear after a hurricane passes). What we didn't plan for was an extended outage in the winter - when heat would be needed - and the pool pumps need to run. And with the increased energy usage, without taking additional steps, our PowerWalls may not have had enough power to get us through an extended outage (due to cold temperatures and little solar power until skies cleared).
Lessons learned:
It also helped that we have an RV with it's own power generation (solar panels, lithium batteries, diesel generator) - which we could use in an emergency and evacuate from the house to the RV on the driveway, allowing us to drastically reduce power consumption inside the house.
- We'll replace the fixed speed pool pump with a variable speed pump that should be able to reduce power consumption by at least 2/3 - not only helping during an outage - but also when the pump is running normally.
- In preparation for an extended outage, I'll mark the circuits in the breaker boxes that should be left on for essential systems - so it'll be easier to turn off the circuits with non-essential devices.
We are in eastern Washington State and have 82 panels and a Generac 24kw natural gas generator with a few limiters and we do the whole house. We went with this instead of Powerwalls as I am told our solar has to shut off in a power outage so not to send power back into the grid during repair efforts. So the powerwall wouldn’t recharge during an outage. Is that not the case in Texas? I called our gas provider and they said, duh, their pumping stations are all on gas no electricity, so baring an earthquake, which we have from time to time, we should be fine. So far so good. We get colder weather than Seattle in winter and hotter in summer and so far so good. Wind usually knocks out power. We have a Model X and S.Here are some insights i did not know about the Texas energy market.
Five things to know about Texas's strained electric grid
They do not belong to any national interconnect. Only El Paso belongs to the Western Interconnect and they had less issues in El Paso because the got supplemental power from other states.
Yeah, when we have an outage after midnight, having the standby generator turn automatically on seems a bit unnecessary. Would be nice to have a programmable option not to run between say 2am and 5am. In a long outage, I turn it off before going to bed, just to extend the fuel in my LP tanks, since you never know when a few days turns into 2 weeks.We have a neighbor with one at our cabin in the Sierras. Always fun when the power goes out at midnight. I could just as happily slept until dawn before discovering the power is out. I don't need his generator cranking on the second the power fails waking us up. Sheesh. That said, it sure has helped them in the last two years of PSPSs and that big snow storm from January the power was off for more than 4 days, we just went home, but that is his home. Hopefully he got more propane after the outage, as it's also all he has for heat.
We are in eastern Washington State and have 82 panels and a Generac 24kw natural gas generator with a few limiters and we do the whole house. We went with this instead of Powerwalls as I am told our solar has to shut off in a power outage so not to send power back into the grid during repair efforts. So the powerwall wouldn’t recharge during an outage. Is that not the case in Texas? I called our gas provider and they said, duh, their pumping stations are all on gas no electricity, so baring an earthquake, which we have from time to time, we should be fine. So far so good. We get colder weather than Seattle in winter and hotter in summer and so far so good. Wind usually knocks out power. We have a Model X and S.
Where I live, you can order a wholehouse standby generator from HD or Lowes, and have your local electrician and plumber do the connections. I ordered mine from HD, over 10yrs ago, and helped my electrician buddy to do the wiring, and my local fuel company to do the gas connection. The install cost was about $750 in total.Will see.
But we are hearing that Generac installs in this area now have a 6+ month wait...
I live in northern California along the coast and we lose power quite frequently due to all our trees. Now with planned outages due to wildfire prevention efforts it seems that it can happen at any time during fire season. When we first moved here we were made aware of this and so we installed a 16kw Generac generator with a 500 gallon propane tank (400 gallons useable) to feed it which is good for 24/7 for between 2 to 3 weeks. We pump our water and that is also used for our hot water heating system so no water, then no heat (in addition to no toilets, no showers, or other normal water usage). Question: Do some areas in Texas allow for generators? They don't bother us but they do make noise. As far as propane costs, we have never used more than 20% to 30% on any one outage so far. If I was to buy one now, I would probably buy the 20 or 22kw which is the smallest air cooled one since I now own a Tesla. However, I can simply change the charge current on the car and that would handle the car and still have enough for computers, fridge, and water pumps/filtration systems. On the news, I didn't hear any mention of propane fed generators. Our hospital uses these as well as many houses in our area.During this week's Texas power outage, we were fortunate to lose power only for 2.5 hours.
Though when the power went out, because it might be days before power was restored, and we may not have much sun for the next 36 hours, we immediately turned off everything we could in the house to reduce power consumption.
And we were able to get the power down to only 400W... We left our two large refrigerators running (with food in the freezers) along with our internet and network gear. I used the breaker panels to turn off the circuits that we weren't going to be using - and it was surprising how much power those circuits were using for devices that were plugged in but not being used.
Our pool pumps are the major power consumer at the house. The main pump is variable speed and usually uses around 800W. But the second pump that powers a decorative waterfall is fixed speed - and uses 2500W. And because the freeze protection is activated when temperatures are below 40 degrees (which has been the case for the past 4 days), we were getting a constant 3300W draw from just the pool equipment.
If the power outage had lasted longer, we would manually turn on the main pump only during overnight freezing temperatures.
For the waterfall pump, I turned off the power and drained it and covered it - and will be turning it on since the Texas grid appears to be working again.
We had planned for our system to handle extended outages after a hurricane - when it would be warm and we'd likely have sun (skies typically clear after a hurricane passes). What we didn't plan for was an extended outage in the winter - when heat would be needed - and the pool pumps need to run. And with the increased energy usage, without taking additional steps, our PowerWalls may not have had enough power to get us through an extended outage (due to cold temperatures and little solar power until skies cleared).
Lessons learned:
It also helped that we have an RV with it's own power generation (solar panels, lithium batteries, diesel generator) - which we could use in an emergency and evacuate from the house to the RV on the driveway, allowing us to drastically reduce power consumption inside the house.
- We'll replace the fixed speed pool pump with a variable speed pump that should be able to reduce power consumption by at least 2/3 - not only helping during an outage - but also when the pump is running normally.
- In preparation for an extended outage, I'll mark the circuits in the breaker boxes that should be left on for essential systems - so it'll be easier to turn off the circuits with non-essential devices.
I got a 22K last year. They now make a 24K which I would have gotten. What is nice with the larger units, is not matter what load you put on them, then do not bog down. My installer will not install 16K's anymore since he has seen them bog down.I live in northern California along the coast and we lose power quite frequently due to all our trees. Now with planned outages due to wildfire prevention efforts it seems that it can happen at any time during fire season. When we first moved here we were made aware of this and so we installed a 16kw Generac generator with a 500 gallon propane tank (400 gallons useable) to feed it which is good for 24/7 for between 2 to 3 weeks. We pump our water and that is also used for our hot water heating system so no water, then no heat (in addition to no toilets, no showers, or other normal water usage). Question: Do some areas in Texas allow for generators? They don't bother us but they do make noise. As far as propane costs, we have never used more than 20% to 30% on any one outage so far. If I was to buy one now, I would probably buy the 20 or 22kw which is the smallest air cooled one since I now own a Tesla. However, I can simply change the charge current on the car and that would handle the car and still have enough for computers, fridge, and water pumps/filtration systems. On the news, I didn't hear any mention of propane fed generators. Our hospital uses these as well as many houses in our area.
So the solar array is just cut off from the grid during an outage but charges the powerwalls?You were told, or understood incorrectly. One of the whole points of having powerwalls (or other batteries) when you have solar is so that solar power has someplace to go when there is no grid. Powerwalls absolutely postivitely 100% do charge from solar during a power outage.
Thats the way the system works everywhere (not just texas).
I am not making any judgement at all about which backup technology is better because its a personal choice for each person, and both have their pros and cons. I just wanted to provide you with correct information about solar + powerwalls and charging during an outage.
We got our generator once we had an outage and my wife couldn't open the garage door to get to Starbucks. Enough said.I got a 22K last year. They now make a 24K which I would have gotten. What is nice with the larger units, is not matter what load you put on them, then do not bog down. My installer will not install 16K's anymore since he has seen them bog down.
Mine is also connected to a 500 gallon propane tank. Once I get batteries, I am ready for anything northern calif can throw at us. And yep, wife wants power. Now power, our sewer up the hill pump does not work, even though we have water pressure. Cheap, nope. But happy wife, happy life.
As others explained earlier, the Powerwalls are AC coupled to a grid tie solar system and the gateway isolates from the grid so the Powerwalls would be charged from the solar system.So the powerwall wouldn’t recharge during an outage.
Yep. They changed code in like July 2019 that states any new garage door or opener installed, MUST have battery backup included. During the fires, many could not get their garage doors open. Now was not planning on changing my 3, but when the wife just ran into one that did not open all the way, well, we are now getting 3 new garage doors and new openers. So we will be covered whether the generator, powers, grid are running or not.We got our generator once we had an outage and my wife couldn't open the garage door to get to Starbucks. Enough said.
The solar can charge the Powerwalls and power the house when the grid is down. Our Powerwalls have gotten us through several multi-day outages and an 8 day off-grid test, no problem. During the 8 day off-grid test, we had a snowstorm with over 8" of snow. Once I cleared off a few of the panels, the solar system worked fine to charge the Powerwalls back up.So the solar array is just cut off from the grid during an outage but charges the powerwalls?